I know the majority of you aren't American, but..

I should've posted this earlier.. as many of you know, a few days ago Hurricane Katrina struck areas of Florida, Missippi, and most of all New Orleans.

85% of New Orleans was submurged underwater, there was mass looting, fires, this is one of the worst disasters in American history. The city will take 5 years to rebuild, let alone six months to even consider entering.

Gangsters are shooting at the police and at the military, they even have shot at the helocopters sent to rescue the innocent victims of the hurricane.

I know some of you will say "it's Bush's fault, 90% of those deaths could've been avoided if he had agreed to fixing the levy." Yes, this is true, all of those deaths could have been avoided, but consider what would happen if this were happening in your own country.

The point I'm getting at is, these people are dying and they need help. People are dying in the streets, many are already in a critical condition because no supplies have gotten to them.

What I'm trying to say is, you can make a difference by perhaps donating some money to the Red Cross, who are trying to get supplies to these people and hopefully save lives. The Red Cross is non-profit, so all of your money will go to these people.

Donate Now!

I know a lot of you will probably just blow this off, but before you do, think about some of the people down there and the situation they are in, and try to put yourself in their shoes. They may never be able to return to their homes.

Here are some Pictures u might want to c Pictures

I was thinking of doing the same m8, ppl have donate now more that 5,000,000 dollars for those that need help there, if u c pictures ull know what im talking about.

Im sure that ull say wat will 5$ helps, it wont but if millions of ppl donate 5$ ull c the difference.

Kaoii fix the link here is the working one Donate

Ehm, the Netherlands has the same water problems, or worse actually, yet we don't fuck up, Bush is a retard imo.

I think I failed to mention that over ten thousand people died.. or did I?

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I think I failed to mention that over ten thousand people died.. or did I?

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No official count been made and they expect in the thousands, not ten thousands, please atleast get the proper info.

on CNN they said that the count is over 10,000 and over 150 in mississippi.

they were warned to evac but noooooooo they neva

consider some of the people who didnt get the warning, some people may not have TV or radio.

I feel really sorry for them about it.

Guys, omg ppl are dieing here and u guys are like "Pfft, We dnt give a fuk about em , bush killed many ppl" Yeah but they are thousdans ppl Dieing in there we dnt give a fuk about bush we give a fuk about Ppl who are dieing !

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consider some of the people who didnt get the warning, some people may not have TV or radio.

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there were syrans and military evacuating lol how could u not notice that

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Guys, omg ppl are dieing here and u guys are like "Pfft, We dnt give a fuk about em , bush killed many ppl" Yeah but they are thousdans ppl Dieing in there we dnt give a fuk about bush we give a fuk about Ppl who are dieing !

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Have we said anything like that?
No we havent so dont say we have.

my great aunt and uncle live in Mississippi and they no power :(


yeah down here in Georgia gas in SUPER limited and in most places fresh out due to that pipeline

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on CNN they said that the count is over 10,000 and over 150 in mississippi.

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Mississippi estimated as many as 110 deaths. Some 30 people are believed to have died in a single apartment complex in Biloxi.

Alabama reported two deaths, and in Louisiana the mayor of New Orleans said the storm probably killed hundreds, if not thousands, of people in his city alone. In Florida, Katrina left 11 people dead.

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Don't get me wrong, i don't think it isn't a tragedy, but to be honest i rather donate to some country in Africa, also you may not actually realise this, but over 10 thousand people die there everyday, deaths that could be avoided, but hey people are used to it so they don't care much, but when some idiot messes up and a few thousand people die then we should all the sudden open our pockets for them.

Instead of people donating so they can straighten things out, that idiot should use the money that he got by exploiting Africa to pay for it all, you know it makes me sick when i read about how America is getting their money back from Africa, America has a debt about 1000 times (no lie btw, America has a debt of almost 8 trillion - that's 8.000.000 million)as big as Africa, America also exploited Africa, and still does, (and so does the whole world really, but America most by far though) big time, and yet they take away the little money they got which they could use to safe lifes and build things back up, and now we should feel sorry for them? No thanks.

i wasnt saying 10,000 in those areas, 10,000 in new orleans. 10,000-15,000 people are estimated to be dead in new orleans.

are there other ways to send a donation?
because i dont have a credit card :(

@gohan: sure netherlands got problem with water, but they have build awsome things to prevent damage, but u cant stop a hurricane, or can u?

There is a lot that could of been prevented.

I'm not going to be an idoit, what happend to America could have been prevented, BUT! the damaged couldn't have. The people that died may have choosen to stay or may have not. United States has helped the world alot, but i guess people look at it when US has been struck by terrorists or Nature, we laugh at them? TBH! if the netherlands have ever seen a Hurricane i doubt very much they would survive it.

Nature can't be stopped, now, if you say you could have prevented the damage of what Mother Nature can cause, damn! what planet are you from?

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About your debts of what America has, you mean The US cancelled all the worlds Debts that they own The US? TBH! i thinkl you have something against the US and what your saying makes me offended even though i'm not from the US. tbh! i have no idea what your talking about Debt, i watched it live when America cancelled alot of Debts that Africa and other countrys owed America. i'm not gonna get all annoyed here, but i'm saying you have something against america.

Ok, now you say America takes everything that they have? dun get me wrong i'm Sure they may do and so does all the rest? But! i'm 100% sure America lost troops trying to help Africa, America sends support to Africa alot! Previously! aswell as the UK and possibly even other country's, But as i said before You have something against the Americans. Now before you don't understand, ITS charities that help Africa from all over the World. Some of these charities are run by the Governments such as US and the UK.

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Guys, omg ppl are dieing here and u guys are like "Pfft, We dnt give a fuk about em , bush killed many ppl" Yeah but they are thousdans ppl Dieing in there we dnt give a fuk about bush we give a fuk about Ppl who are dieing !

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not bush's fault a hurricane hit, like aaron said there was sirens and evacuation calls but they didnt listen.
nature is 1 thing u can not stop.

sham on the deceased tho.

even though i'm in singapore.. i'm a Mix blood of american and chinese.. i'm donating this as soon as i get my credit card

i'm also deeply disturb to find out that one of my old sch mate was one of those ppl who were drowned.. hav to find it out the hard way when i got a oversea call from one of my frens 1/2 an hour b4 this post =(....

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No official count been made and they expect in the thousands, not ten thousands, please atleast get the proper info.

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Btw, you don't have to get all fussy, FFS, people are dying and WHO cares about the Correct Info? you, oh yer, the guy/youth that has a problem against the Americans.

guys try not to turn this into a political thread. it doesnt matter that a lot of deaths couldve been avoided, the fact is people are still dying and there arent enough supplies to go around.

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guys try not to turn this into a political thread. it doesnt matter that a lot of deaths couldve been avoided, the fact is people are still dying and there arent enough supplies to go around.

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Exactly.

But Gohan here, well he doesn't seem to like Americans or what has happend to them, he doesn't even careless. I'm only replying to these comments made by him because its disturb'd me and probably Americans aswell.

Thought i'd post the Satellite View of Hurricane Katrina, looks Massive, lol, biggar than the Netherlands?

http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/g...8.1845.2km.jpg

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Btw, you don't have to get all fussy, FFS, people are dying and WHO cares about the Correct Info? you, oh yer, the guy/youth that has a problem against the Americans.

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Whole Africa is fucking dying, yet you all don't give a fuck about that, but oh no something happens to America, let's donate money...


Let me put it in a simple story, perhaps you get it then.


A guy called America decides to take a drive in his Ferrari, so he is driving around in this bad neighbourhood where he owns several buildings and is exploiting the people there really bad, when all the sudden he see's this guy Africa, he steps on the breaks but his car fails to break and he hits Africa, who dies, and then crashes in a building and loses his legs, now America could of avoided this because he knew the breaks were bad, but because he was a cheap bastard he decided to not repair them.
Anyway now he lost his legs and gets lots of medical bills, bills he can afford, however his neighbours say, hey let's chip in, that poor guy lost his legs, least we can do is help him pay the bills, all that while Africa's family who lives in 1 of his flats have to pay more rent because America raised the rent because he needed more money, and also lost a family member.


Now i'm sure there are some idiots who don't get this story, but America keeps fucking up, now i'm sorry for the people who died, but we shouldn't be helping them, they can survive on their own, the people we should help are in Africa, Africa can do like 10 times as much with that money, but people don't care about that, afterall Africa is a part of the world that people just forget about, and unless something huge happens then no one cares, but everyone fails to understand that the death toll because of that in America is daily stuff in Africa.

So if you really want to help people then donate to Africa, not America.

In a strange way I can see where you are coming from Gohan. But it is a terrbile disaster and not much is being done there fore is the reason why I have donated, hopefully if any other countries got hit by such a disaster Bush would also give aid. It looks doubtful non the less although we are still giving aid to Africa. . . It isn't enough is it?

-Mattio

We giving aid to Africa? Are you out of your mind? Every single country is exploiting Africa big time, you know America stole so much from Africa, yet they have the nerve to actually get Africa to pay back the small debt they got.

If Africa got what they really deserved then they would be in a much better shape, 10 times better then America would if they got what they deserved.

Btw most aid groups are private owned i think, America doesn't invest money in aid groups, they invest it in the military.

No I didn't mean there giving aid, I mean some of our goverments (Im british) as far as I know are still funding this like red cross although these small parts there trying to help by the looks of things arent making much of a difference.

-Mattio

PS: The hurricane was a disaster in it's own right although on the other hand were already over populated what would we do with out them. Although I beleave everything happens for a reason and this should open the Americans eyes.

guys stop arguing. this isnt a dispute over donating to africa, i'm just requesting a bit of thought towards americans. like i said, there arent enough supplies to go around and these people may never return to their homes. a lot of these people are good people, but consider this:

- some don't have families or anyone to go to.
- if some dont get help within the next few hours, they will die.
- they didnt ask for this.
- there arent enough supplies to go around.
- the US government is doing a delayed job helping out and a lot of these people are going to die because of it.

It's not Bush's fault that the Hurricane hit so don't blame him for that, However he is partly to blame for the delay in resources being brought to these places, But putting who's fault it is aside, Can't you lot just think of other people for even a while? Have you even seen the news coverage? There are dead bodies just lying there, They havn't even got enough room to remove them, "Mobile Mortuaries" (Extremely large vans stacked with stretchers) are being used now. There are people just lying on the streets, The hurricane wasn't the last of the problem, Their homes are destroyed so they have no shelter and people are dying of Heat stroke and stress related problems as well as many others. Just try to think of them not ourselves all the time.

As for Africa, It's the leaders fault, They are all safely tucked away in their homes with their golden toilets keeping all the money for themselves. Africa have money, The leaders just choose not to use it to save their people.

aint america the richest country in the world? and they need aid lol id rather give it to poor countrys.

Not sure if they are the richest but who owns all this money? It certainly isn't the people and as someone (cant remember sorry) put earlier, They are roughly 8 Trillion dollars in debt

America is in totally value the richest though, but a lot of this money is in military for example.
It's like owning a Ferrari but being in debt of 100.000 euro

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like i said, there arent enough supplies to go around and these people may never return to their homes. a lot of these people are good people, but consider this:

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Ofcourse all those Africans are bad people and they deserve it.

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- some don't have families or anyone to go to.

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People in Africa have family members die all the time, like weekly.

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- if some dont get help within the next few hours, they will die.

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While you were reading this post like 10 Africans died which could of been prevented if they had food.

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- they didnt ask for this.

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Ofcourse Africans do, they said to America, hey come over here, exploit us, and then let us die.

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By now another 5 Africans have died.

oh man, i think this thread is getting out of control

I live in Louisiana and have(had) plenty of friends that live(ed) in New Olreans, a lot of whom are staying with me now until they can get back on their feet (might be a while). The entire world has problems, and everyone should have the right to ask for donations, but personally, saying that the money would be better spent somewhere else in a thread specifically for this disaster isn't going to get you any cool points. You might not be mr. thoughtful or anything but I think it was a bit mean. Maybe you should be in a thread supporting aid to africa instead of bashing on this one.

I think this is funny... the Army with thanks, M19, bazookas can't handle some fcking gangsters? omfg...
and America have the founds to Help the victims...
And i'm with you Gohan...
In Africa, allot of people die from hunger, they don’t have much water to drink, they don't have the bases... how come they want Africa to have farms if they don't help them build it?

you know its better for Africans if you teach them how to make a farm then giving them tomatoes...

And think a bit... Africa its the richest continent in the entire world... it have diamonds, gold, oil.... and yet people die everyday... its ashame...

HeroX's friend's entire family died in new orleans.
he's having a hard time copping with it but he'll do better in time.
My condolences go out to his girl's family who was related to the victims.
be strong herox. think of the good times u had with ur friend, i'm sure thats how he would want to be rememebred.
and hold-on to that image of him riding katrina.

peace to all thoes souls who perished.

rish.

I'm sorry to hear that Rish. I have yet to hear from some of my friends. :|

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I live in Louisiana and have(had) plenty of friends that live(ed) in New Olreans, a lot of whom are staying with me now until they can get back on their feet (might be a while). The entire world has problems, and everyone should have the right to ask for donations, but personally, saying that the money would be better spent somewhere else in a thread specifically for this disaster isn't going to get you any cool points. You might not be mr. thoughtful or anything but I think it was a bit mean. Maybe you should be in a thread supporting aid to africa instead of bashing on this one.

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That's the whole thing, no one makes a support Africa topic, no one gives a fuck, but when something happens to America then we get these shitty topics.

Let America deal with their own problems, because if they steal from Africa, exploit them and dares to get them to pay their small debt while they owe half the world money then i say fuck them.

Gohan, stop the political crap. I've asked you nicely several times. I failed to mention I had family who lived down there who are missing atm. If you had family or friends down there missing you would be supporting this topic, so please respect those who do.

It's not crap, and you can't see the big picture clearly.

There are so many things I could say to you right now, but I'm not going to get in another argument with you.

I totally see where gohan is coming from and I have to say I do agree with him.

gohan dude,
put the money aside and think about the people instead.
millions of people around the world have friends and family who live in america.
but not that many have friends or family in africa.
thats where the difference is.

a tragedy in the US affects alot more people that way.

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Here are some Pictures u might want to c Pictures
I was thinking of doing the same m8, ppl have donate now more that 5,000,000 dollars for those that need help there, if u c pictures ull know what im talking about.
Im sure that ull say wat will 5$ helps, it wont but if millions of ppl donate 5$ ull c the difference.
Kaoii fix the link here is the working one Donate

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yes why is picture 5 of serena williams?


P.S. kaoii where do u live

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yes why is picture 5 of serena williams?
P.S. kaoii where do u live

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quite easy answer really to let people know that she is donating her earrings to auction towards the aid in the hurricane disaster.

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I should've posted this earlier.. as many of you know, a few days ago Hurricane Katrina struck areas of Florida, Missippi, and most of all New Orleans.

85% of New Orleans was submurged underwater, there was mass looting, fires, this is one of the worst disasters in American history. The city will take 5 years to rebuild, let alone six months to even consider entering.

Gangsters are shooting at the police and at the military, they even have shot at the helocopters sent to rescue the innocent victims of the hurricane.

I know some of you will say "it's Bush's fault, 90% of those deaths could've been avoided if he had agreed to fixing the levy." Yes, this is true, all of those deaths could have been avoided, but consider what would happen if this were happening in your own country.

The point I'm getting at is, these people are dying and they need help. People are dying in the streets, many are already in a critical condition because no supplies have gotten to them.

What I'm trying to say is, you can make a difference by perhaps donating some money to the Red Cross, who are trying to get supplies to these people and hopefully save lives. The Red Cross is non-profit, so all of your money will go to these people.

Donate Now!

I know a lot of you will probably just blow this off, but before you do, think about some of the people down there and the situation they are in, and try to put yourself in their shoes. They may never be able to return to their homes.

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I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I did read that only one shot was fired, and that could be percieved as a warning shot.



I've donated already

I live in Arkansas, why?

where is that

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i dont like bush either... but u cud b a bit more nice cudnt u... tbh those ppl need help

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gohan dude,
put the money aside and think about the people instead.
millions of people around the world have friends and family who live in america.
but not that many have friends or family in africa.
thats where the difference is.

a tragedy in the US affects alot more people that way.

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Fucking bullshit, you like so many others are blind people who live by "out of sight out of mind"
What do you think Africa is? Some place where people don't have family or friends? Because you have to be retarded to think that, just because they don't have internet doesn't mean they have friends... yes that's right, you can also have friends outside the internet, bet you didn't know that.

Why donate money to save 1 life when you can donate money and save 10 lifes, or are American lifes worth more?

Fact is that this money donations is close to pointless, America is huge, has lots of resources, they don't need outside help, and if the rest of the world stops lending America money for once then perhaps they will learn to stand on their own 2 feet and reduce the US Army with about 80% so that those can instead work a regular job and improve the economy.

America wastes your money, so give it to Africa who will put it to good use.

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i dont like bush either... but u cud b a bit more nice cudnt u... tbh those ppl need help

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So do the people in Africa, but no one gives a fuck about that, just aslong poor America doesn't suffer...

Gohan are you a racist?

I agree with you gohan....people in africa need help....but you cant TOTALLY discount america. But still gohan, there are even others than the africans that need help...so dont argue about your big picture while using the biggest example. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SUFFERING WELCOME TO LIFE. Not being heartless, just real.

America has all the resources to do this, they don't need help.

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Gohan are you a racist?

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The question is, are you a racist? Because if you think 1 American is more important then 10 Africans then i'd say you're a racist.

The fact is that you as an American are asking for help, where is America when Africa is asking for help? Oh yeah that's right, they are freaking ripping them off.

You know what makes America America? Power, that's all, because except for that they are nothing, it's poor as hell, because although America is worth a lot, most of it is used for military ends, which will never change, so it's simply poor, a lot of the neighbourhoods are really, really bad, people kill each other all the time, everyone owns a gun, most people are damn poor, they got 10 bums in every back alley etc etc, that's the real America, and the only reason it's still up is because of their military, but that will change 1 day, and it will be a second Russia.
You know when i hear people talking about how they are proud to be American then all i can do is laugh, i mean honestly besides the point of being proud because you were born somewhere is a real laugh, i mean the Netherlands is very rich, yet i'm not proud of it, i don't give a shit, but besides that, there is nothing to be proud off, ofcourse unless you only read the stuff that they want you to read, about how they saved Europe from the Germans and stuff like that, although let's face it, in reality they did it for their own interest, but the parts about how they exploited so many countries all over the world is ofcourse left out.


Anyway as for your racist point, it's a question you really should just ask yourself, anyone that really knows me i'm not a racist, i don't give a flying shit where you come from, fact is that most don't, but the reason why a lot of people don't like America is because they make us dislike them, with their lame ass "God bless America", i mean seriously, wtf is with that, got superior attitude perhaps? Not that i care much as there is no God anyway. (btw unless you actually got proof that there is then don't get me started there)


BTW to make it clear, i do not like or dislike Americans more then anyone else, you have idiots from all over the world, and strange shit happens everywhere, what i do dislike are hypocrits who make special topics for when something happens in America, but doesn't really give a shit about what happens in Africa.

i'll donate if i have the money .

Gohan is right for a change, congratulations.

I'm not a fucking hypocryte, I never said I had anything against the people in Africa, nor did I not care about their situation. If you want to help Africa so dearly, then start a donate to Africa thread, and sure I might make it a sticky, but this is about the immediate problem in America.

From my perspective, you seem to think that every single one of these people, and notice I'm not calling them Americans, they are people, flesh and blood just like me and you, simply do not deserve help. A lot of Africans do deserve help, I never said I had anything against them, but some of these people are good people. And as I have stated, if you knew people who were missing in America you would not be posting what you've been posting here.

And that's as far as I'm going to go with you, as I've said, as much as you seem to enjoy trying to argue with me I'm not going to get into it again with you.

Edit: And as for President Bush, I think he's probably the single worst president besides President Carter that this country has ever had. If it weren't for him, a lot of the problems and deaths atm in New Orleans could've been avoided.

and im still wondering why your always calling me a hypocryte and always trying to argue with me. recently, i've done nothing to provoke you to do so.

Its funny how gohan talks as if he lives in america ^^

O and i live in the 7th worst city in america (According to studies) and i live quite peacefully XD.

But its simple, humans are very territorial and very prejudiced nowadays and are simply more prone to help "Their own" than to help others. which is why africa doesnt get the aid it needs, everyone is too focused on themselves to give to others. Oh and bush=TEH RETARDXXORZ!

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and im still wondering why your always calling me a hypocryte and always trying to argue with me. recently, i've done nothing to provoke you to do so.

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The question is, are you a racist? Because if you think 1 American is more important then 10 Africans then i'd say you're a racist.

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as kaoii sed... start the africa thread... this 1 is a thread askin help for new orleans, they need help, so we shud help as we shud help africa aswell

i'm not being funny, but after Bush denied sending more aid to Africa, can you really expect us to donate to him to help his own continent? His reason for not supplying more aid to Africa, was that he needs resources in the fight against terrorism, now he says, he can deliver aid (in the US) AND fight terrorism. Am I missing something here?

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It's not crap, and you can't see the big picture clearly.

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lmao what big picture? Africa isnt the only one in need its every where its where i live probly where you live people die of hunger and no water every day where i live but no one talks about it and its in Arizona so if your for one place getting help your going to have to for every one getting help

Actually where i live we don't have those problems, and for homeless people there are project and places where they get help to get their life together, and get food and a place to sleep.

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Yeah and because it's for Africa daily business so America is more important.

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From my perspective, you seem to think that every single one of these people, and notice I'm not calling them Americans, they are people, flesh and blood just like me and you, simply do not deserve help.

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They deserve help... and guess what, they do get help, unlike Africa, America does have the resources.

Like in the little story, America has money to pay the bills, whereas the family of Africa have nothing, who should you help, the people who got money or who don't got money?

Gohan is right here, people only help africa when someone puts on a live show for free with a lot of bands. If Live 8 didnt happen most people wouldnt have donated to Africa. If something isnt in the media people forget about it. In a week or 2 when news of the hurricane stops people will stop caring again. Everyone thinks they are doing good by donating when somethings brought to their attention. Then forget about it when its not under their nose

I wish that Gohan was there when the Hurricane Hit. Or may i Add *sorry to those in the Netherlands* But THAT FUCKEN HURRICANE WAS BIGGER THAN THE NETHERLANDS OVER 200 MILES WIDE WISH IT HIT YOU INSTEAD. so Gohan Stop thinking about Africa and start thinking of Fucken People that lived in that Large City thats now Wiped.

Oh yer, Tbh, if you calculate the total donated to Africa since the start of Charities helping, it would probably be more than America has spent on its Military. Oh, if America didn't spend as much on its Military the world would probably be at War, before you say Iraq and shit like that, i mean Russia and China and even Korea would be at War.

starance don't double post in future.

I can see in some sense what Gohan is trying to say. People never really donate to the countries that really need it like Africa, then when one thing like this happens and everyone is expected to pay up, doesn't seem fair really.

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I wish that Gohan was there when the Hurricane Hit. Or may i Add *sorry to those in the Netherlands* But THAT FUCKEN HURRICANE WAS BIGGER THAN THE NETHERLANDS OVER 200 MILES WIDE WISH IT HIT YOU INSTEAD. so Gohan Stop thinking about Africa and start thinking of Fucken People that lived in that Large City thats now Wiped.

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You're to stupid to understand, btw if America was smart enough to actually listen to our experts then this could be mostly avoided.

But hey, Bush said this with a reason...

U.S. President George W. Bush: "They never stop thinking of ways of harming America, and neither do we."

Although he didn't mean to say that, there is actually a lot of truth in it.

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Oh yer, Tbh, if you calculate the total donated to Africa since the start of Charities helping, it would probably be more than America has spent on its Military. Oh, if America didn't spend as much on its Military the world would probably be at War, before you say Iraq and shit like that, i mean Russia and China and even Korea would be at War.

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People like u shudn't be allowed to post, now FUCK OFF.

People like him are to stupid to understand seeing things from both sides of the arguement. I have donated a little but I still agree with Gohan and others.

-Mattio

PS: starance take some advise from me, Throw your computer out of the window whilst holding on ok?

Bush isnt an idiot, you cant blame him for this crap. There was an extremely long period of warning of a hurricane hitting and for everyone in the area to evacuate. Being poor isnt an excuse, they were given weeks. The only ones left were black people. (What a surprise) They are calling President Bush racist, yet he gives those lazy dick suckers their welfare checks cause they dont have enough common sense to get a job. The people who were killed deserved it, no questions asked. Like I said they were told multiple times to get their belongings and move, they chose to die. I'd like to know how it's Bush's fault, is it because he's President? Is it because he isnt sitting on welfare?

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eidted:you really shouldn't have posted these jokes, wrong place totally

.. and who exactly are you?

Yerp, maybe i should throw my computer out the window, means i wont have to read some shit about off topic crap, gohan and his followers.

Again, i've posted this thread on some other places "Americans" and they say they'd like to **** you, true and understandable. Anyway, i Agree with you now Gohan Who the fuck cares what happens to America or in that fact The Netherlands. *joke*

Live 8 did absolute shit, People have forgotten about Africa allready yet when it was on they "claimed" to feel sorry for the people, The protesting March that was linked with Live 8 did absolute shit aswell, Sure the leaders decided to give money to Africa, But who to? It certainly wasn't the people who needed help, It was the greedy leaders who have enough fucking money allready. Even if it went to the people, Throwing money at a problem isn't a solution. Getting out there and sorting out the corruption is.

Edit: Starance, Fuck off. Without the Military in Iraq the country would be in total chaos. Did you not see the news during/after the "Statue Of Saddam" was pulled down? It was like something out of a strange movie, People going beserk, Riots, People being killed, shops and homes being vandalised and being broken into, So you say spend less on the military? Well they might aswell pull the troops out then. Also if you read and think "Iraqi = Terrorist" Then you shouldn't be alowed to post your views in the first place.

i stand by gohan on all counts except 1 on here

the death count i believe is way above the 50k mark
it is anarchy there, civil war almost(?)

as for my thoughts
dont argue about what could or should have been done, but look to what can be done from here onwards
people have died they wont be brought back

tbh we dont know half of what is going on there, there where reports on over here telling of massive numbers of deaths b4 they were cut off and replaced with bush friendly reports which had much fewer deaths in their reports

if your gonna donate then donate

as for the rest of, lets just wait and see how this pans out

Lol Morphie you idoit. I didn't say anything about spend less on military and i don't even care if they did or not. Point is can't be arsed to argue over this, i clearly see that quite afew people here hate Americans.

I know Africa has alot of problems. Have you ever been to Africa? NO! Thought so, so don't bring them into this thread. I'm 100% sure this was about the Natural Disaster of New Orleans. People are dying there and YES! they were warned! BUT! don't forget it would have been HELL trying to get out!! with Roits and all sorts going on, unless you were there and can tell me what was happening during the Hurricane was on its way?

anyway, can't be arsed to argue with you.

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Have you ever been to Africa? NO!

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Because..... that makes a difference?

[QUOTE=starance]Lol Morphie you idoit. I didn't say anything about spend less on military...QUOTE]

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it would probably be more than America has spent on its Military. Oh, if America didn't spend as much on its Military the world would probably be at War..

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Now you see, To me THAT says "Spend less on the military"

Also It's Morphe and how do you know i havn't been to Africa? Do you stalk me? If so then get a hobby that doesn't require you hiding in people's closets.

How many people do you know that have been killed in disasters & war, you run/ play online games all the time every time theres a disaster like this there become a very cold and empty place on your contacts list not knowing that you friends are alive or dead, no way of finding out if they are, how much would you pay for piece of mind, me I pay everything I have and I will continue doing so, friends are an irraplaceable loss.

123 contacts in msn - 26 missing (9 from tsunami and still missing)
95 in aim - 9 missing all from katrina
54 in gunbound - 16 missing since asian tsunami a further 5 now missing

You sure they are actually missing and that they didn't just block you? Because that ratio of missing people is quite high...

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Bush isnt an idiot, you cant blame him for this crap. There was an extremely long period of warning of a hurricane hitting and for everyone in the area to evacuate. Being poor isnt an excuse, they were given weeks.

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Bush is a idiot, and people don't just leave their house, where do you take all your stuff, where will you live? It's human nature to not go untill there is direct danger, Bush should know this.

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The only ones left were black people. (What a surprise) They are calling President Bush racist, yet he gives those lazy dick suckers their welfare checks cause they dont have enough common sense to get a job.

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I don't know if he is a racist or not, but you sure are.

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The people who were killed deserved it, no questions asked. Like I said they were told multiple times to get their belongings and move, they chose to die. I'd like to know how it's Bush's fault, is it because he's President? Is it because he isnt sitting on welfare?

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Ofcourse they deserved it, i mean those people were murders, rapists and terrorists, right? Oh wait they weren't, they were people who didn't want to leave their houses, just like everyone else wouldn't want to.
Obviously the hurricane isn't his fault, but the fact remains that Bush could of prevented a lot of this if he fixed things.
You know if the Netherlands was this careless then we would be all drowning here, it's the job for the leader of a country to keep the people safe, to give them the best life they can get, Bush fails horribly in this.

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Yerp, maybe i should throw my computer out the window, means i wont have to read some shit about off topic crap, gohan and his followers.

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Followers or people who share my opinion?

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Starance, Fuck off. Without the Military in Iraq the country would be in total chaos. Did you not see the news during/after the "Statue Of Saddam" was pulled down? It was like something out of a strange movie, People going beserk, Riots, People being killed, shops and homes being vandalised and being broken into, So you say spend less on the military? Well they might aswell pull the troops out then. Also if you read and think "Iraqi = Terrorist" Then you shouldn't be alowed to post your views in the first place.

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It's not that black and white, America also done a lot of damage, besides it wasn't a act of kindness... America never does something out of kindness, they always got their own agenda.

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Point is can't be arsed to argue over this, i clearly see that quite afew people here hate Americans.

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You clearly don't see it clearly, i don't hate Americans at all, i know lots of really nice people from there, and one site i visit is full with Americans, and the fact remains that i don't know a single American that actually had any influence in this, the people that have influence are the people you see on tv, politicians, almost all politicians are nothing like the rest of the people in their country.

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I know Africa has alot of problems. Have you ever been to Africa? NO!

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Like Morphix pointed out, that doesn't make a single difference, unless you are about to tell us that in reality Africa is really rich and are all sitting next to their pool with a drink in their hand looking at their American pool boy cleaning the pool.

Gohan if you stfu ill donate 10$ to africa

That is exactly the problem with people, You want rewards for giving thing to other people, "What will i get out of this?" You will get the knowing that you just saved peoples lives, Doesn't that make you feel even the slightest bit motivated to help them? Actually if you are thinking that you want something in return then you probably shouldn't "waste" $10 on people you don't know.

if everyone hav so much strenght and will to argue over this.. how i wish that its being used to help other ppl around the world.. words being said here meant nth.. unless u've been there .. seen it.. and felt it...

and to top it all off.. not many ppl hav that will to help out others cuz they are looking out for themselves.. all talk.. but nth done..

i'm not gonna point fingers at anyone.. as for mi.. i'm leaving on the 8th as a request to my platoon officer to be spending my 2 months for training.. to helping out the ppl in the katrina incident.. and in turn hoping to find my fren's body.. even if thats a slim chance i would rather take my chances over there than praying at home.