Sure, let's put someone in jail for 5 years for having sex with 18 year olds, yes it's wrong to go about it that way, but come on, 5 years...
Also this is crushing the hope of all guys in school hoping to fuck their teacher...
18-08-12
tanomist
Re: Texas has done it again...
Having sex in 18 with your hot teacher is illegal ?
what is wrong with those people
18-08-12
exclamatio
Re: Texas has done it again...
Bloody hell that's bad, isn't the age of consent 17 in Texas too?
18-08-12
GohanSSJ
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by exclamatio
Bloody hell that's bad, isn't the age of consent 17 in Texas too?
Don't know, but I know this was perfectly legal. She got the 5 years because it's not allowed as a teacher to do it.
18-08-12
Evilkitten
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Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
Don't know, but I know this was perfectly legal. She got the 5 years because it's not allowed as a teacher to do it.
That law is pretty universal even over here that a teacher cannot form relations with students regards of age. Not sure on rules on whether a person is no longer a student or not but the authorities are pretty strict with this. Not surprised she got done but unsure if she deserves so long. =/
18-08-12
Zaruna
Re: Texas has done it again...
It's a good message sent to others, but 5 years? I think here you're out sooner for murder, lol.
I think when stuff like this happens at their own home it's really noones business, aslong both are adults ofcourse. The guys bragged about it so obviously they won't feel any regret of it happening. =P
A punishment like that would've been better if her teacher status was actually abused, but in this case it looks like it wasn't.
18-08-12
GohanSSJ
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by Evilkitten
That law is pretty universal even over here that a teacher cannot form relations with students regards of age. Not sure on rules on whether a person is no longer a student or not but the authorities are pretty strict with this. Not surprised she got done but unsure if she deserves so long. =/
Obviously a teacher/student relationship is unacceptable, which is with pretty much with any job like that (social workers, doctors, superior officers in the army etc etc), however normally this results in you getting kicked from that line of work, obviously someone who does something like that should never be allowed to teach again, however putting them in jail is a completely different story.
Normally in a court of law aside from intent you need damage to convict someone, in this case there is no real damage, those guys don't feel like they were damaged (understandably :P), so that just leaves the school really, so have her pay a fine, let her do community service and never let her teach again.
18-08-12
Supicioso
Re: Texas has done it again...
Those are Texas laws for you. Like I said before, they have some of the most screwed up laws in the country. They aren't the only ones though. Quite a few states will send your ass to jail for having sex with your teach regardless of age. I mean come on, they ran a train on her ass. SHE'S the one at fault? It was like 5 guys and one teacher... Yea... she's really a fault here. I'd claim rape if I was her just to get out of that bullshit law.
18-08-12
I Rule MU
Re: Texas has done it again...
Should've executed the Jezebel.
18-08-12
tanomist
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
Don't know, but I know this was perfectly legal. She got the 5 years because it's not allowed as a teacher to do it.
as Teacher ? who the hell is going to school in their 18 ?
18-08-12
vLife
Re: Texas has done it again...
^ American students usually graduate at the age of 18.
18-08-12
GohanSSJ
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by Tsume
Those are Texas laws for you. Like I said before, they have some of the most screwed up laws in the country. They aren't the only ones though. Quite a few states will send your ass to jail for having sex with your teach regardless of age. I mean come on, they ran a train on her ass. SHE'S the one at fault? It was like 5 guys and one teacher... Yea... she's really a fault here. I'd claim rape if I was her just to get out of that bullshit law.
You should read up on it, yeah she was at fault here, she seduced those 5 guys, she was in control. Basically the woman is a giant nympho who likes group sex, so does her husband and they have a open marriage. She obviously enjoyed the power of having 5 of her students as her sex pets.
In the end though, all agreed on it and enjoyed it, regardless what society thinks of it, there was no foul play there. However the fact that she was her teacher, is very wrong, your job as a teacher is something different from being a sex addict, she should have kept them seperate.
Again though, I do not see how this resulted in jail time.
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Originally Posted by tanomist
as Teacher ? who the hell is going to school in their 18 ?
Lots do, it's really quite normal in lots of countries. That said, this doesn't mean most of them aren't done with high school, but quite a few people finish at 18.
Besides, how do you call someone who teaches you at college/university? I still call them teachers and having sex with them is still not alright. I can definitely see how it does happen though, seen a few very nice ones over the years including some of my own age.
18-08-12
Evilkitten
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Originally Posted by tanomist
as Teacher ? who the hell is going to school in their 18 ?
Obviously didn't have the intention or going up to Uni so 18 and school is very common and soon in the UK it will be compulsory.
Anyways having thought about yes wrong on a professional front but jail for consensual sex??? Only thing she should have got is teacher status revoked and a very very big slap on the wrist.
19-08-12
Savage
Re: Texas has done it again...
I honestly don't see anything wrong with consensual sexual and non-sexual relationships with teachers and students.
19-08-12
Evilkitten
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Originally Posted by Savage
I honestly don't see anything wrong with consensual sexual and non-sexual relationships with teachers and students.
It's a lot deeper than that. A basic reason is, if a relationship was allowed for example, say during a students exams then other students may feel that that particular student was at an advantage due to, say, extra tutition because of the relationship. So you can see from that basic example how it can get more and more complicated and create tons of issues. It's just a lot simpler and fair to just say strictly no relationships allowed.
I hope that makes sense and explains a little why relationships are not allowed. They have extra rules for relatives as well for similar reasons of advantages of relations.
19-08-12
Bloodraven
Re: Texas has done it again...
She should have been forced to pay a fine, and banned from working with minors for the rest of her life, not fucking raped in jail.
19-08-12
ezpzzz
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by zJordan
She should have been forced to pay a fine, and banned from working with minors for the rest of her life, not fucking raped in jail.
She deserves more 10 years, comon cheating on her husband? sigh with this world.
19-08-12
KidRambo
Re: Texas has done it again...
It is supposedly unprofessional for a teacher to have a relationship with one of their students.
19-08-12
Sir_Trix
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by ezpzzz
She deserves more 10 years, comon cheating on her husband? sigh with this world.
Since when was cheating on your husband illegal? She deserves no jail time. I live in Texas, and the age is 18 (not 17 as previously stated), All that should've been done is her fired and not been able to teach ever again, at MOST a little fine. I see where people are coming from when they say the relationship could be unfair to other students, but schools check this sort of thing. It's not like she can give an A when the guy has wrong answers, and English classes in Texas have to use pen, or atleast in North Texas. Therefore, she couldn't correct the test, and if she was telling them answers other students would see & report her. Consensual sex between a student of legal age and a teacher should not be illegal. There is nothing wrong with it.
19-08-12
Bloodraven
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by ezpzzz
She deserves more 10 years, comon cheating on her husband? sigh with this world.
Adultery isn't illegal.
19-08-12
El Jamie
Re: Texas has done it again...
I remember when my old P.E teacher resigned after a sex scandal with another sixth former, he didn't get fired. He left himself and certainly didn't get arrested.
19-08-12
ezpzzz
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by Sir_Trix
Since when was cheating on your husband illegal? She deserves no jail time. I live in Texas, and the age is 18 (not 17 as previously stated), All that should've been done is her fired and not been able to teach ever again, at MOST a little fine. I see where people are coming from when they say the relationship could be unfair to other students, but schools check this sort of thing. It's not like she can give an A when the guy has wrong answers, and English classes in Texas have to use pen, or atleast in North Texas. Therefore, she couldn't correct the test, and if she was telling them answers other students would see & report her. Consensual sex between a student of legal age and a teacher should not be illegal. There is nothing wrong with it.
It's not about that, it's about humanity, I don't want to get into religion since you guys will start hating and complaining, but, in Islam if you commit adultery "illegally" there are two punishments,
1.) if you're married, your punishment is stoning to death.
2.) if you're not married, your punishment is a flog with a hundred stripes.
" The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah's Law)." Surah Noor (2)
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Originally Posted by zJordan
Adultery isn't illegal.
Above.
19-08-12
SirEpicWin
Re: Texas has done it again...
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FORT WORTH — Brittni Colleps, the 28-year-old Kennedale High School English teacher convicted of having sex with five of her students, was sentenced to five years in prison by a Tarrant County jury Friday evening.
Relax guys, it's one year per a student.
19-08-12
Savage
Re: Texas has done it again...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilkitten
It's a lot deeper than that. A basic reason is, if a relationship was allowed for example, say during a students exams then other students may feel that that particular student was at an advantage due to, say, extra tutition because of the relationship. So you can see from that basic example how it can get more and more complicated and create tons of issues. It's just a lot simpler and fair to just say strictly no relationships allowed.
I hope that makes sense and explains a little why relationships are not allowed. They have extra rules for relatives as well for similar reasons of advantages of relations.
Oh yeah, definitely. I agree with you there. But as far as prison time, that's completely wrong.
20-08-12
GohanSSJ
Re: Texas has done it again...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage
I honestly don't see anything wrong with consensual sexual and non-sexual relationships with teachers and students.
That's a joke right?
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Originally Posted by ezpzzz
She deserves more 10 years, comon cheating on her husband? sigh with this world.
It wasn't really cheating, they were swingers, that's what they have been doing their whole marriage, have sex with others.
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Originally Posted by ezpzzz
It's not about that, it's about humanity, I don't want to get into religion since you guys will start hating and complaining, but, in Islam if you commit adultery "illegally" there are two punishments,
1.) if you're married, your punishment is stoning to death.
2.) if you're not married, your punishment is a flog with a hundred stripes.
" The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah's Law)." Surah Noor (2)
You claim you don't want to get into religion, but you clearly do. Your obvious BS is obvious.
Using religion to answer the questions for today is foolish, hell it was foolish back then as well. While I'm not familiar with the texts in the Quran, I know in the Bible in the old testament, it says a woman should be stoned to death if she gets raped in a city and doesn't scream for help.
Only idiots would want to use those words to dictate how society functions, this is also a reason why any decent country has a separation of church and state.
Really, don't bring such nonsense on the forums here, I know the old texts are extremely harsh and all that, there is a reason why we don't use them.
20-08-12
Savage
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
That's a joke right?
Nope. Besides the point that EvilKitten made, I agree with my initial statement. and to clarify so you don't jump down my throat, I'm talking teenagers above the age of 16 who know what's going on.
20-08-12
KidRambo
Re: Texas has done it again...
I think teachers should be allowed to have a relationship with students over the age of 16, its their choice. If they cant be in a relationship it infringes on The Universal Declaration of Human Rights. I have put a spoiler below of the article in the UDHR which relates to this. (I may be wrong about the article so no flaming please.)
Spoiler:
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
20-08-12
GohanSSJ
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by Savage
Nope. Besides the point that EvilKitten made, I agree with my initial statement. and to clarify so you don't jump down my throat, I'm talking teenagers above the age of 16 who know what's going on.
But her point is basically why it's not allowed. The relationship will endanger the professional process, once they are done it's all fine, but as long as either one from the relationship has any power or say over the other person, then that's just bad. You can't fuck your teacher and then sit in her class the next morning, it just doesn't work that way.
20-08-12
Negata
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
You can't fuck your teacher and then sit in her class the next morning, it just doesn't work that way.
But you can fuck your boss and sit in their meeting the next morning.
I'm not sure if this is a case where law must be involved. The world is not a fair place and will not become one by enforcing laws on everything.
20-08-12
☠RockAngeL☠
Re: Texas has done it again...
IN my Opinion ? i love Texas xD !
20-08-12
ezpzzz
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
You claim you don't want to get into religion, but you clearly do. Your obvious BS is obvious.
Using religion to answer the questions for today is foolish, hell it was foolish back then as well. While I'm not familiar with the texts in the Quran, I know in the Bible in the old testament, it says a woman should be stoned to death if she gets raped in a city and doesn't scream for help.
Only idiots would want to use those words to dictate how society functions, this is also a reason why any decent country has a separation of church and state.
Really, don't bring such nonsense on the forums here, I know the old texts are extremely harsh and all that, there is a reason why we don't use them.
I didn't get into religion, if you think I did, then you're wrong.
Foolish? why foolish? these are Gods (Allah) rules, seriously if you think they are foolish then you've totally lost your mind, if even YOUR WIFE isn't loyal to you, who will be then?, let's take to another side, would you have been happy if this happened to your mother? sister? wife? of course not. In addition, you think you live in a decent country? give me a break. Plus saying nonsense about these rules without any reason is just stupid.
Have a nice day.
20-08-12
Jolin88
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by ezpzzz
I didn't get into religion, if you think I did, then you're wrong.
Foolish? why foolish? these are Gods (Allah) rules, seriously if you think they are foolish then you've totally lost your mind, if even YOUR WIFE isn't loyal to you, who will be then?, let's take to another side, would you have been happy if this happened to your mother? sister? wife? of course not. In addition, you think you live in a decent country? give me a break. Plus saying nonsense about these rules without any reason is just stupid.
Have a nice day.
Who told you those are God's rules? Whoever said it or whoever wrote the text that told you also only knew it from someone else or from some other text, and it goes on all the way to the time some tyrant or wannabe rulers invented those sayings under the name of a not existing god to control people like you into doing whatever they wish, in this case, to kill adulterers
Sure it's wrong to cheat on your husband/wife, but does that justify murder? Are you insane?
Also yes you did bring up religion twice otherwise you wouldn't mention alah and what you think are his rules
@Topic :
I think she should have been fired at worst, suspended at best but why jail, who did she harm? Laws are supposed to protect the people, she didn't endanger anyone, and if she was biased in her job for having a relationship she should get punished accordingly
20-08-12
Zaruna
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by ezpzzz
I didn't get into religion, if you think I did, then you're wrong.
Foolish? why foolish? these are Gods (Allah) rules, seriously if you think they are foolish then you've totally lost your mind, if even YOUR WIFE isn't loyal to you, who will be then?, let's take to another side, would you have been happy if this happened to your mother? sister? wife? of course not. In addition, you think you live in a decent country? give me a break. Plus saying nonsense about these rules without any reason is just stupid.
Have a nice day.
Keep in mind laws are not based on feels of certain religions, also Allahs way is not the only way, specially not in Texas XD
This is not even related to it, and yes they're foolish to alot of us. If wife aint loyal? Then there are relatives, family. People make mistakes, and in this case everyone knew, also the husband knew what went on in their relationship, who are you to judge?
We're not talking about rape, so if it did happen it would be their choice, how could that change the way I feel? unless it's my wife, but I wouldn't throw a rock at a person, lol.
I agree with most though, punishment should've been losing her job, suspension won't do anything unless all those students are gone by the time suspension is over. Who sued her anyway ? =/
20-08-12
ezpzzz
Re: Texas has done it again...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolin88
Who told you those are God's rules? Whoever said it or whoever wrote the text that told you also only knew it from someone else or from some other text, and it goes on all the way to the time some tyrant or wannabe rulers invented those sayings under the name of a not existing god to control people like you into doing whatever they wish, in this case, to kill adulterers
Sure it's wrong to cheat on your husband/wife, but does that justify murder? Are you insane?
Also yes you did bring up religion twice otherwise you wouldn't mention alah and what you think are his rules
@Topic :
I think she should have been fired at worst, suspended at best but why jail, who did she harm? Laws are supposed to protect the people, she didn't endanger anyone, and if she was biased in her job for having a relationship she should get punished accordingly
Quran, it's from God. "1.) if you're married, your punishment is stoning to death." that's only the situation you can die in if you committed an adultery.
Now tell me if I'm insane or not, give me TWO advantages or if you can't ONE advantage of adultery, good feeling? ha, actually it will just destroy your life.
Peace out.
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Originally Posted by Zaruna
Keep in mind laws are not based on feels of certain religions, also Allahs way is not the only way, specially not in Texas XD
This is not even related to it, and yes they're foolish to alot of us. If wife aint loyal? Then there are relatives, family. People make mistakes, and in this case everyone knew, also the husband knew what went on in their relationship, who are you to judge?
We're not talking about rape, so if it did happen it would be their choice, how could that change the way I feel? unless it's my wife, but I wouldn't throw a rock at a person, lol.
I agree with most though, punishment should've been losing her job, suspension won't do anything unless all those students are gone by the time suspension is over. Who sued her anyway ? =/
Actually it used to be, and still, but not that "right", also please notice that there is a difference between adultery and rape, it's not the same thing, I was talking about adultery not rape.
20-08-12
Zaruna
Re: Texas has done it again...
That's what I said, cause you brought up how we would feel if it happend to, mother/sister/wife. But other then with my wife I really don't see how it could affect me. it's choices people make, you just gotta live with it.
20-08-12
ezpzzz
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by Zaruna
That's what I said, cause you brought up how we would feel if it happend to, mother/sister/wife. But other then with my wife I really don't see how it could affect me. it's choices people make, you just gotta live with it.
No I meant, would you please it for your mom,sister,wife, to commit an adultery? that was my whole point.
20-08-12
Jolin88
Re: Texas has done it again...
@ezpzzz
the quran was written by humans, also did you ever stop and think that there's other punishments for adultery than death? Does everything have to be fixed by killing everyone who does wrong? I never said it's a good thing but it doesn't deserve death sentance
20-08-12
El Jamie
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by ezpzzz
Quran, it's from God. "1.) if you're married, your punishment is stoning to death." that's only the situation you can die in if you committed an adultery.
Now tell me if I'm insane or not, give me TWO advantages or if you can't ONE advantage of adultery, good feeling? ha, actually it will just destroy your life.
Peace out.
Actually it used to be, and still, but not that "right", also please notice that there is a difference between adultery and rape, it's not the same thing, I was talking about adultery not rape.
again, your bringing God or 'Allah' into this. You're contradicting yourself time and time again.. If they're swingers then they're bound to do stuff like this, I believe sexual relationships with teachers/tutors are wrong, especially when you have to go in their class afterwards.
20-08-12
ezpzzz
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by Jolin88
@ezpzzz
the quran was written by humans, also did you ever stop and think that there's other punishments for adultery than death? Does everything have to be fixed by killing everyone who does wrong? I never said it's a good thing but it doesn't deserve death sentance
The Quran is from Allah, inn by revelation to the prophet Muhammad, so it's God words.
Yes there is another punishment, read my previous post so you can understand properly. http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/in...icles&id=88535
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Originally Posted by El Jamié
again, your bringing God or 'Allah' into this. You're contradicting yourself time and time again.. If they're swingers then they're bound to do stuff like this, I believe sexual relationships with teachers/tutors are wrong, especially when you have to go in their class afterwards.
Is there something wrong with that? I just wanted to show you what is the adultery punishment in Islam.
20-08-12
GohanSSJ
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by Negata
But you can fuck your boss and sit in their meeting the next morning.
I'm not sure if this is a case where law must be involved. The world is not a fair place and will not become one by enforcing laws on everything.
Well you can fuck your boss, but in general it ends up with the employee quitting, whether things go good or bad, in the end you can't really work properly like that.
Still in a working environment at least you are pretty free in everything and the worst thing that can happen is losing your job. In the case of school the effects can be much bigger.
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Originally Posted by ezpzzz
I didn't get into religion, if you think I did, then you're wrong.
Foolish? why foolish? these are Gods (Allah) rules, seriously if you think they are foolish then you've totally lost your mind, if even YOUR WIFE isn't loyal to you, who will be then?, let's take to another side, would you have been happy if this happened to your mother? sister? wife? of course not. In addition, you think you live in a decent country? give me a break. Plus saying nonsense about these rules without any reason is just stupid.
Have a nice day.
I must have been clearly mistaken that when you were talking about Islam, Allah and quotations from which seemed a holy text, it must have been your neighbor Allah, Islam his dog and the quotations must have been from the TV Guide...
Please don't talk shit, you started on religion.
Killing someone over adultery is simply idiotic, it's so idiotic in fact that we banned that practice as a society. Don't like it? Then too bad for you, it's how the world works.
20-08-12
ezpzzz
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
Well you can fuck your boss, but in general it ends up with the employee quitting, whether things go good or bad, in the end you can't really work properly like that.
Still in a working environment at least you are pretty free in everything and the worst thing that can happen is losing your job. In the case of school the effects can be much bigger.
I must have been clearly mistaken that when you were talking about Islam, Allah and quotations from which seemed a holy text, it must have been your neighbor Allah, Islam his dog and the quotations must have been from the TV Guide...
Please don't talk shit, you started on religion.
Killing someone over adultery is simply idiotic, it's so idiotic in fact that we banned that practice as a society. Don't like it? Then too bad for you, it's how the world works.
I could write wall of texts, about this subject that's what I meant with religion, and too bad, this world won't last long.
20-08-12
GohanSSJ
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by ezpzzz
I could write wall of texts, about this subject that's what I meant with religion, and too bad, this world won't last long.
Sure thing bro. The world is coming to an end soon... Happen to got any sisters who are just as stupid?
20-08-12
ezpzzz
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
Sure thing bro. The world is coming to an end soon... Happen to got any sisters who are just as stupid?
We will live and see :).
21-08-12
Sir_Trix
Re: Texas has done it again...
When did this get into a heated debate between Christians and Muslims?
21-08-12
Monolith
Re: Texas has done it again...
CBS said she will not have to register as a sex offender...guess thats one good thing...thats a life sentence.
21-08-12
Supicioso
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by Monolith
CBS said she will not have to register as a sex offender...guess thats one good thing...thats a life sentence.
It would be downright unlawful for her to be registered as a sex offender. She didn't offend anyone. No one involved was offended, pressured or pushed into having sex. They were consenting adults.
21-08-12
GohanSSJ
Re: Texas has done it again...
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Originally Posted by Tsume
It would be downright unlawful for her to be registered as a sex offender. She didn't offend anyone. No one involved was offended, pressured or pushed into having sex. They were consenting adults.
And yet it happens all the time, there are lots of old college professors who are now seen as a pedophile because they had sex with like a 20 year old student.
shes hot for me.. so what's the problem having sex to his students?
07-09-12
Masius
Re: Texas has done it again...
On a related note..
"It took the panel more than three hours to reach its decision after a trial that included graphic evidence, including cell phone video.."