Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood calls for milion-man march because of anti-islam movie.

U.S. embassies across the Muslim world prepare for violence after Friday prayers ¿ the traditional Middle East time for protest | Mail Online
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this is the video they are raging about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmodVun16Q4

so far it already caused dead of us embassador in libya and riots all over the world, burning american flags and shit. http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/the-la...four-people-dy

What do you think about it?

"Bangladesh: Also this morning, around 10,000 Muslims from half a dozen Islamist groups staged a noisy protest in Bangladeshi capital Dhaka, burning and trampling American flags while chanting anti-US slogans"

..I was writing a long response to this, I left it.

All I have to say is:
That's why I am anti-social and I don't have any religion, I just can't simply stand people's retardation.
nuff said.

May they all be nuked.

Whoever insults my prophet will be burned to death. Ah and don't think that Allah is just watching: "And verily messengers (of Allah) were mocked before thee, but long I bore with those who disbelieved. At length I seized them, and how(awful) was My punishment!" Quran: 13:32.

I think they're over-reacting a bit due to it just being a movie.
But I don't think that is the sole reason of them doing so.
I think they're just fed up with America, like a lot of other countries.
I don't blame them if that's the case, but if it's solely over a movie,
they seriously need to chill the fuck out.

it is just because of the movie and they are definitely not overreacting just "a bit" :)

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Whoever insults my prophet will be burned to death. Ah and don't think that Allah is just watching: "And verily messengers (of Allah) were mocked before thee, but long I bore with those who disbelieved. At length I seized them, and how(awful) was My punishment!" Quran: 13:32.

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is this you quoting something or being a retarded muslim?

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Whoever insults my prophet will be burned to death. Ah and don't think that Allah is just watching: "And verily messengers (of Allah) were mocked before thee, but long I bore with those who disbelieved. At length I seized them, and how(awful) was My punishment!" Quran: 13:32.

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..Are you even serious?
Snap, let's not bring up the religion discussion...we, as intelligent people, all agreed that there's no evidence for God, this is the fact that gets down your theory.
"OH BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW HE DOESN'T EXIST?" ..Because there's no proof of his existence ?
Bible/Quran are proofs ? Wow, they're just books..written by people.
We all know how the existence of God in our heads is a strong sing of a mental illness and mental ilnesses existed for a long time, just like other diseases.. Now you make the connection.

Damn it, the moment we get past over these things (I believe in 3-4 generations) we will be able to evolve, leaving the bullcrap behind .. If you would read about it and actually study history.. you would know that Religion has caused lots ..buts lots of useless deaths.

Gosh, dude..I never saw an atheist attacking religion without being provoked..but when you say that if you insult a long-dead guy who really hasn't done anything than just speaking about how a "Great God named Allah exist and he was always there, created everything and so on.." you're going "to burn to death for no reason" ..is kinda very pretty much stupid, don't you think ? I believe so.
This could be taken over and over with arguments, but the fact that a smart person that has atleast the power to judge what's good and what's not good will always see behind what the mainstream offers and how much it lies.. There's no evidence for God, therefore sustaining his existence is just pure fiction.

After all, isn't religion all about loving your enemy and be peaceful and all that stuff ? I believe it is.
So why the eff are you guys fighting like morons over a clearly moronic and very irrational problem ?

I don't mean to offend anyone that believes in a God or anything, but.. For the love of..everything that's right in this world, think rational..
You were given something when you were born, which is called religion, you had no choice but you shall seek the truth during your life, it takes just a bit of intelligence to realize that religion was probably the smartest thing created in order to keep people "in chains" and slow down a bit the "massive killing" by having a God to fear, therefore you should leave religion to the masses and just live your life the way you want it, not having to obey a so called God all your life.

the thing is, moldor, muslims can't comprehend facts or arguments, you can't talk with them really, I tried. You'll see that the only answer you gonna get is allah is infinite, you gonna burn omg allah allah Muhammad you will suffer I'll get virgins

I don't have anything with anybody, but when somebody says "You're going to burn to death because you don't follow Allah" I'm just going to burst out, I just can't stand ultimate retardation.

I died at the "I'll get virgins" part, hahaha!

If you show me proof of God's existence, solid proof which is believable and not "miracles".. I will say I am sorry, but still.. since the discussion about God's existence has been brought .. I don't think somebody succeded, but good luck on that and keep your religious threats to yourself.

Haha man they just burned down kfc in Tripoli, Lebanon..

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I seriously think they've took it over the top. It's like the Atheists flipping out because Mel Gibson's made Passion of the Christ, I find it a bit extreme that they're doing all of this. Protesting isn't going to achieve anything, I certainly wasn't impressed when they brought violence into it and decided to kill the US Ambassador. Especially after doing it when Islam is supposed to be the 'Religion of Peace', certainly isn't looking like that with the violence that is going on.

Well, that's religion of peace to you, just like Christianity is religion of love and tolerance.

they are now attacking British and German embassies as well

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and remember, this all because of an amusing 12 minutes long parody.. and I mean, that video is really laughable and no normally thinking person would take it serious

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Haha foxx you post this as though Islam is the only religion in the history to have ever done this. Religion is a retarded concept and coupled with factors such as economic conditions, available education, etc. has these terrible outcomes. The people in the countries that are protesting are poor and they are morons. They are third world countries. Why is Saudia Arabia, probably the most Islamic nation on Earth, not reacting like this? Because the country is relatively rich it has managed to appease it's population and given them things such as education (limited as it may be) to avoid this shit.

The same thing happened with Christianity and Judaism back in the day, but today the majority of Christian countries are at a higher standard than their Muslim counterparts. Look at Jerusalem. Perfect example of the destructive powers of religion, because anything that upset one of the religions in the city caused riots and problems. I get it, you don't like Muslims, but to use the inbred faggots as representatives for all of them is just wrong.

^ this coming from the guy whose government took the actions of a few thousand to label the rest of the billion as terrorists.

It's religion, of course it's serious.

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Haha, almost the best line I've ever heard in my life.

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Haha foxx you post this as though Islam is the only religion in the history to have ever done this.

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Nah, I hate all religions equally.. actually I hate some more, because they are more stupid than other (Islam). But I still think we'd be better off without any religion.


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then again, look at this ezpzzz guy, he's got internet, he's member of this forum, probably not that poor either..and yet he's apparently agreeing with what's happening and even talking about burning anyone that insults his prophet..and he's certainly not the only islamic member of this forum I've seen act this way..

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Whoever insults my prophet will be burned to death. Ah and don't think that Allah is just watching: "And verily messengers (of Allah) were mocked before thee, but long I bore with those who disbelieved. At length I seized them, and how(awful) was My punishment!" Quran: 13:32.

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How can you even say that this is right? Violence isn't a good solution for anything, insulting a religion is fairly idiotic, but it comes around as humour. Surely if Catholicism was mocked in a film or taken for granted, protests would be going on, sure, that does happen but burning of flags of nations and burning valuable things down is horrific, especially killing somebody that didn't even know of the problem until the end (the US Ambassador for Libya). Religion or not, it's wrong.

No One Murdered Because Of This Image | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

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The Onion.
First guys to confirm that the guy from 3rd floor is not fucking around.

That's why I trust them so much.
Good post, mentle.

Religion is no longer "about" religion for Muslims living in the middle east, its more about war for them, and girls being scared to go to school otherwise the taliban will spill boiling oil over them, or whatever...

I have nothing against religions people but that goes to far... That movie is nothing x.x Just a joke.
We all made movies about Germans. You see Germans raging? Nope.
Fuck the middle east Moslims. They should react like LOL that is false why does the movie look so stupid.

Can we please keep religion out of the boards? It's a personal thing and it should be kept off the forums.

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Well, this is "The Outerworld" section so I believe it is right to discuss such things here.

Fuckin savages.

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Them 'savages' think the same about you, faggot.

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I think they're over-reacting a bit due to it just being a movie.
But I don't think that is the sole reason of them doing so.
I think they're just fed up with America, like a lot of other countries.
I don't blame them if that's the case, but if it's solely over a movie,
they seriously need to chill the fuck out.

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It would be over reacting it happened once or twice but it happened way more and people just don't understand that enough is enough.

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It would be over reacting it happened once or twice but it happened way more and people just don't understand that enough is enough.

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Doesn't matter if it happens a million times that doesn't change the fact that it's just a Movie.
That's it, a movie. Film, Pixels, Words. It is not an action and it damn sure does not call for
the extreme and irrational behavior that these people are demonstrating over there.

If someone slaps your face once it would be okay for the first time but if he did it over and over again, wouldn't you get pissed?

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If someone slaps your face once it would be okay for the first time but not if he did it over and over again, wouldn't you get pissed?

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That doesn't even relate... there is a HUGE digression between physically slapping someone in their face and making a movie such as this.

Fucking retarded how they rage at a country instead of just at the creators of the video...

Apparently there is more to the story that has come to light in the last 24 hours or so. They say that the attack on the US embassy that ended up killing innocent people could of been pre planned. Information was leaked to the attacks telling them where the secret safe house was and no reinforcements were sent out to help the embassy workers.

Those that use religion to incite war and chaos don't give a damn about the religion because if they understood the religion then these things would not happen.

The attack happened on 2012 September the 11th so maybe considering this could fill in some the information missing.

Everyone should watch this: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/EndofFa

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It would be over reacting it happened once or twice but it happened way more and people just don't understand that enough is enough.

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If someone slaps your face once it would be okay for the first time but if he did it over and over again, wouldn't you get pissed?

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This is exactly it. This is why these riots start, people who think with this mindset cause these problems. Repthon is an idiot, we already knew that, but when this hateful and senseless mindset is shared by thousands of uneducated individuals with far too much time on their hands we get the current chaos we are in.

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This is exactly it. This is why these riots start, people who think with this mindset cause these problems. Repthon is an idiot, we already knew that, but when this hateful and senseless mindset is shared by thousands of uneducated individuals with far too much time on their hands we get the current chaos we are in.

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Can't you communicate with someone without insulting? for once atleast for fucksake.

My bad, please don't attack the US Embassy in Dubai because of my WORDS.

I was pointing out what was wrong with your post. You can't defend the mindset of these people. Yes everyone has a certain set of beliefs and you should stick to them and defend them, but this is just ridiculous. Religion is supposed to be the opium of the masses, but Islam is turning into PCP for the masses.

Also, and I know this is going to turn into a shit storm (especially with Not4You's great history of impartial modding), do not take this to be a racist statement. It is sarcasm in light of the current situation...

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My bad, please don't attack the US Embassy in Dubai because of my WORDS.

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Honestly I am not raging about the film because its just a film and raging won't make anything better. The problem is that in all of the arab countries there is no freedom of speech so everything you say people get pissed its not that i encourage that my prophet gets insulted but its just a fact that everywhere there is criticism.

Islam isn't 1% of what people are doing at the moment it just that majority of people don't think and have nothing to do but rage.

Yeah amazing, and how about you, 99% of good muslims go and tell them to shut the fuck up and arrest all of them protesters(cut off their limbs as well, or isn't destroying millions of dollars worth of property and killing worse than stealing a bread?)

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I think I've never seen any Islamic leader to respond to these clips/movies/caricatures with "chill the fuck out guys, it's just a stupid *"

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Fucking retarded how they rage at a country instead of just at the creators of the video...

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Pretty much fucking retarded how they are raging at all.

This is wrong, people shouldn't be killing and burning down embassies (you may be surprised this is coming from a Muslim)

Why they make this films? American & Egypt will never become peace Bad Producer
Producer Should Death?:blushing:

Look, another idiot.

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Look, another idiot.

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Somehow funny, how you point your finger at anyone, who is against your opinion and thus you call him either "idiot or beyond stupidity". Why is that so, because thy do not represent, what you or the other guy do?

Or is it, because they behave differently and act upon it, like if their Prophet is insulted that they defense him? Is it because they believe in something you don't?

Funny though, most of you are hypocrites, waiting e.g for christmas to get a present, but no clue about it's origin, even as an atheist.

You guys are literally against anything the muslims do, being in their situation, I'd burn everything that is connected to the US and Europe for their massive killings, not just in Iraq, Afghanisten, Plestine, but wars before that, like vietnam.

That's how these countries get money, by making war, a simple reason is needed to make the ignorant folk believe it's good what they do to support them and ending up with blood on the hands.

Besides, it's amusing to see people like you Mr.foxx, judging about everything you can like you'd know more than most, but in fact you're the one being the most ignorant here, because you only support your own view, everything else is falsehood, this is what I call beyond stupidity. I mean judging without knowledge/evidence, what did you learn at school?

Have you ever been to those countries, where the people are oprressed, abused, defiled and murdered in front of their families? This applies to both genders, females and males, elders and children. You and your dirty tongue are used to judge about things you've no clue about. You're simply a trip, nothing else, thus before judging about something, get knowledge first.

My 2 cents, foxx, stay objective, you are getting very emotional regarding such topics, reflects your ignorance and simplicity.

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Somehow funny, how you point your finger at anyone, who is against your opinion and thus you call him either "idiot or beyond stupidity". Why is that so, because thy do not represent, what you or the other guy do?

Or is it, because they behave differently and act upon it, like if their Prophet is insulted that they defense him? Is it because they believe in something you don't?

Funny though, most of you are hypocrites, waiting e.g for christmas to get a present, but no clue about it's origin, even as an atheist.

You guys are literally against anything the muslims do, being in their situation, I'd burn everything that is connected to the US and Europe for their massive killings, not just in Iraq, Afghanisten, Plestine, but wars before that, like vietnam.

That's how these countries get money, by making war, a simple reason is needed to make the ignorant folk believe it's good what they do to support them and ending up with blood on the hands.

Besides, it's amusing to see people like you Mr.foxx, judging about everything you can like you'd know more than most, but in fact you're the one being the most ignorant here, because you only support your own view, everything else is falsehood, this is what I call beyond stupidity. I mean judging without knowledge/evidence, what did you learn at school?

Have you ever been to those countries, where the people are oprressed, abused, defiled and murdered in front of their families? This applies to both genders, females and males, elders and children. You and your dirty tongue are used to judge about things you've no clue about. You're simply a trip, nothing else, thus before judging about something, get knowledge first.

My 2 cents, foxx, stay objective, you are getting very emotional regarding such topics, reflects your ignorance and simplicity.

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This is idiotic, fuck them who made the movie.

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Somehow funny, how you point your finger at anyone, who is against your opinion and thus you call him either "idiot or beyond stupidity". Why is that so, because thy do not represent, what you or the other guy do?

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I beg your pardon? So it's wrong to say that someone who thinks all these protests and killing are fine is an idiot? I sincerely don't think so.

Australian muslims demands that everyone involved with the movie should be beheaded, do I think they, and everyone who supports this opinion, are idiots? Yes I do.

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I don't care about their beliefs, I care about how violent they are.

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I'm atheist, I hate christmas, actually, the only part about it I love is that we sit down with the whole family for a dinner. Tell me more examples how about our(mine) hypocrisy, please?

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Again, should I shut up and not voice my opinion about when they cut someone's limbs off or when they kill people that had absolutely nothing wrong with what they are angry about? Seriously, what is wrong with that? I'm not against everything they do, I'm against these particular things.

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Besides, it's amusing to see people like you Mr.foxx, judging about everything you can like you'd know more than most, but in fact you're the one being the most ignorant here, because you only support your own view, everything else is falsehood, this is what I call beyond stupidity. I mean judging without knowledge/evidence, what did you learn at school?

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What exactly have I done that is ignoran? At this very case, what knowledge/evidence do you need? It's not the mainstream medias that are telling us these extremists muslims all over the worlds are protesting because of the movie, it's the muslims themselves saying that.
I'm talking apples, you are talking oranges.

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Have you ever been to those countries, where the people are oprressed, abused, defiled and murdered in front of their families? This applies to both genders, females and males, elders and children. You and your dirty tongue are used to judge about things you've no clue about. You're simply a trip, nothing else, thus before judging about something, get knowledge first.

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What does this have to do with muslims burning down kfcs, killing people and attacking usa, british and german embassies?

Muslim protesters clash with police in Sydney

In Australia now.

And wait what Senkura?

gantu21 comes here, says that the producer of the movie should be killed, I call him an idiot and you write me a wall of text about how simple, ignorant and knowledgeless I am? What should have I said, yeah gantu, let's go and kill the fucker for making some stupid laughable movie?

Are you a muslim yourself by any chance?

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I love it, go on.

Doesn't it always when someone comes and says that murder and violence is, in fact, perfectly fine.. Jesus man, it's ending someone's life because some other guy on the other side of the world, who never even met the guy who was murdered, made some stupid video..

I know how fucked up this whole thing is and that it takes some huge retardation to react like that over a video, it takes a whole new level of stupidity to do that.. But what can I do ?

I mean, I know what I'm doing..just sitting back and laughing my ass off at them.. But, you're right when you say that it's stupid that lives are lost because of a video.. I do agree.. Buuuut..
I believe those guys need a check of reality and possibly an ass-whooping (Steankmeaner, anyone?), it could be done by dropping a few bombs..just saying ^^.

Have a nice day y'all.

Hahaha. We're probably going to get hit by nukes or some shit because of a fucking movie.

(directed at anyone who thinks the protests and riots make any sense at all):

People need to man up. Allah doesn't exist, muslims are too sensitive, and I laugh at you feeling insulted while I'm out cruising the streets enjoying life to the fullest. Stop crying and feeling insulted over stupid shit, really. People are just going to troll every muslim they see now because you guys are such pussies.

Call me a fat greedy American (corrected as US Citizen; the rest of the world is just too ignorant to realize there are people not in the US from America), but at least I'm not conducting large scale protests because you insult me for having a better life than you.

Cheers!

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Oh, and I would have never known about this silly movie if you guys didn't rage over this shit. Good job promoting a movie made to make fun of you, fucking dumbasses.

i'm Out Of This Topic Its Flamble2.. War War 2

Actually, I'd like to apologize to gantu, seeing how his english is, he was probably trying to say that he likes banana shakes, not that makers of that movie should be killed.

its not our to judge.. i wish all religion can live harmony,Peace

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Hahaha. We're probably going to get hit by nukes or some shit because of a fucking movie.

(directed at anyone who thinks the protests and riots make any sense at all):

People need to man up. Allah doesn't exist, muslims are too sensitive, and I laugh at you feeling insulted while I'm out cruising the streets enjoying life to the fullest. Stop crying and feeling insulted over stupid shit, really. People are just going to troll every muslim they see now because you guys are such pussies.

Call me a fat greedy American (corrected as US Citizen; the rest of the world is just too ignorant to realize there are people not in the US from America), but at least I'm not conducting large scale protests because you insult me for having a better life than you.

Cheers!

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Oh, and I would have never known about this silly movie if you guys didn't rage over this shit. Good job promoting a movie made to make fun of you, fucking dumbasses.

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Its your belief that you think god doesn't exist but you can't force everyone to believe that

Senkura, read the rest of the thread. In the first post it sounds like he is pointing his finger at Islam alone, but he clarifies it to include all religions and I agree with him. You are taking personal shots. He is not. He is criticizing the actions of these mobs, and the teachings of the religion that lead to such shit. You are just posting about a bunch of different topics.

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No, not at all. If you have nothing to say that contributes to the topic, don't post. This is not an argument anyone is going to win, there is no /thread. Even if everyone on the forum agrees that these Muslims are going overboard and that all of this is just ridiculous (which it is) you still have people dying in this senseless violence. I do not mean just Americans and foreigners in their lands, I mean their own innocent people are losing their lives as well. For a religion of peace, there sure as hell is always a lot of fucking violence surrounding it.

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Whats your point?

Its their belief to think Allah is going to unleash his wrath on the US for insulting them but they can't force everyone to believe that either. They certainly are trying though!

Mind posting something at least halfway interesting for once?

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But he is not banding together with others in a bloody protest to do so.

proofgodexist.com

if someone convinces me why God doesn't exist I will leave this forum for good, plus I'll give him 50$ as a present for guiding me.

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proofgodexist.com

if someone convinces me why God doesn't exist I will leave this forum for good, plus I'll give him 50$ as a present for guiding me.

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Seriously, what are you going on about now? Just because somebody is questioning your religion over the violence, doesn't mean that he's questioning whether God, Allah, Muhammad, Jesus or whomever isn't real. You can't say because foxx said he's an atheist either, because that'd really be starting on somebody else's religious views. ;)

The religion of peace and tolerance killing people and rioting over a stupid video? Obviously Jewish propaganda

/sarcasm

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proofgodexist.com

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There are many theorys why god exist and why god doesn't exist like the big bang. There is no reason for you to say you will leave if someone can prove why god doesn't exist because you know that can't be proven because god is something people believe in, its peoples belief which is "keeping god alive" . Religion in the west is become alot less important than it was 100yrs ago.

People are taking religion too far as you can see by what some said above with the child holding up the poster. Killing people is not the way to help your religion it just makes people see the worse of your religion.

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As you can see this is how the big bang works.

We christians had first the old testament, with animal offerings and other shit. Then it evolved into the new testament. The muslim religion is still practised the same old way as allways, not changes to that and no adapting to the modern times. Maybe it's time for a change, but i doubt they will ever do that. And btw. even Mel Brooks made fun of jesus in the movie " History of the world ".
A few days ago here in denmark , a danish muslim helt a sign in front of him with a text from the quran. It said, "Don't take jewish or christian people as friends, cause they are friends to eachother. If you become their friend, then you become one of them". So if i see this right, muslims are not allowed to be friends with us christians. So what the fuck are they doing in a country full of christians ??

@rogan if that is seriously in the quoran, im starting to doubt muslim's reason for existence.
seriously, thats utterly fucked up, lets not befriend others, cus they dont believe in our book of bullcrap.
I say, stfu and gtfo, as you are all just plain retarded.

um, afaik Quran says that those who are not muslim are second class citizens and should be treated such

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lol'd they are such barbaric retards./
YES, this post IS racist.

I was having an argument with a muslim..
..Fuck me but I couldn't even talk he was popping so many sh** and was so ignorant, and, as you said.. He told me that I fucked my life and myself for not believing in "The Prophet", oh dear god..
Then he blocked me for not agreeing with him.

They're offended by a video which is not meant to be taken literally and it's only for entertaining purposes.. I was like..How the heck can you even do that ? LOL!

So the guy.. literally sh** himself with this:
"why they create charater of our Prophet whom they never seen" - quote by him.
So that literally says this is FICTIONAL because they never saw their prophet and it's in no WAY REAL which means taking a fictional thing or representation of a FICTIONAL character (Such as Mohammed in this video..) in such a serious way would make you ignorant and reality-broken, therefore ..in other words.. If you believe this video is offensive in any way and it's meant to be very real, you clearly are close-minded and you deserve an ass-whooping.

After all, many religions have received hars, harsh attacks .. Direct ones and not videos that are meant to be offensive.. and you don't see them running around and setting everything on fire.


..Jeez, I'm never ever going to get in an argument with a muslim again.
I have read about the Muslims's Religion from Quran, just some small passages and I was shocked to see that they're somehow not allowed to be friends with Christians and other Religious People that do not obey Allah.

God damn it.. I don't hate on anything or anyone.. But If I was in charge, I'd just burn their religion down.
Even so, their religion say it's all about peace and good will so why do they do this? They're literally disobeying their own religion by doing those things.

^ Objective Thinking, opinions and ideas based on observation and research.
Unbelievable, lol.

He ended up the conversation and then ignored me (Huh, you can't really share opinions with them, haha..It just seems they're so close minded to what they have.. it's unbelievable what religion does to people.) with this:

"and u fucked ur self and ur life
for not beliving in the Prophet
and its reality
okay"

Damn it, how can you be just so stupid ?

/thread

"@rogan if that is seriously in the quoran, im starting to doubt muslim's reason for existence.
seriously, thats utterly fucked up, lets not befriend others, cus they dont believe in our book of bullcrap.
I say, stfu and gtfo, as you are all just plain retarded.
"

That is actually in the Quran and that is why they're teaching their kids too..
Get your facts right.


Just to be known.. That's how the conversation started:
(Copy-pasta)
"Hey, what's your opinion on the Muslim Riots ? I think it's just entertainment and it is meant to be taken literally and is in no way serious.
Christianity has received hardcore attacks ..but you don't see them protesting around.
Go to youtube and you'll see lots of "Jesus" parody videos and ones that are redirected to Christianity.
"

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Originally Posted by FlashyX

lol'd they are such barbaric retards./
YES, this post IS racist.

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Let it be, you muslims are crazy.
^ Coming from a person that doesn't reject any beliefs and doesn't have anything with anyone on their beliefs.. But that reaction of muslims over that video "told me" you guys are sick and need to be educated and freed from that crap religion (Judging by many aspects, starting from having many wives and not being friends with Christians and so on.. )

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Originally Posted by Moldor

I was having an argument with a muslim..
..Fuck me but I couldn't even talk he was popping so many sh** and was so ignorant, and, as you said.. He told me that I fucked my life and myself for not believing in "The Prophet", oh dear god..
Then he blocked me for not agreeing with him.

They're offended by a video which is not meant to be taken literally and it's only for entertaining purposes.. I was like..How the heck can you even do that ? LOL!

So the guy.. literally sh** himself with this:
"why they create charater of our Prophet whom they never seen" - quote by him.
So that literally says this is FICTIONAL because they never saw their prophet and it's in no WAY REAL which means taking a fictional thing or representation of a FICTIONAL character (Such as Mohammed in this video..) in such a serious way would make you ignorant and reality-broken, therefore ..in other words.. If you believe this video is offensive in any way and it's meant to be very real, you clearly are close-minded and you deserve an ass-whooping.

After all, many religions have received hars, harsh attacks .. Direct ones and not videos that are meant to be offensive.. and you don't see them running around and setting everything on fire.


..Jeez, I'm never ever going to get in an argument with a muslim again.
I have read about the Muslims's Religion from Quran, just some small passages and I was shocked to see that they're somehow not allowed to be friends with Christians and other Religious People that do not obey Allah.

God damn it.. I don't hate on anything or anyone.. But If I was in charge, I'd just burn their religion down.
Even so, their religion say it's all about peace and good will so why do they do this? They're literally disobeying their own religion by doing those things.

^ Objective Thinking, opinions and ideas based on observation and research.
Unbelievable, lol.

He ended up the conversation and then ignored me (Huh, you can't really share opinions with them, haha..It just seems they're so close minded to what they have.. it's unbelievable what religion does to people.) with this:

"and u fucked ur self and ur life
for not beliving in the Prophet
and its reality
okay"

Damn it, how can you be just so stupid ?

/thread

"@rogan if that is seriously in the quoran, im starting to doubt muslim's reason for existence.
seriously, thats utterly fucked up, lets not befriend others, cus they dont believe in our book of bullcrap.
I say, stfu and gtfo, as you are all just plain retarded.
"

That is actually in the Quran and that is why they're teaching their kids too..
Get your facts right.


Just to be known.. That's how the conversation started:
(Copy-pasta)
"Hey, what's your opinion on the Muslim Riots ? I think it's just entertainment and it is meant to be taken literally and is in no way serious.
Christianity has received hardcore attacks ..but you don't see them protesting around.
Go to youtube and you'll see lots of "Jesus" parody videos and ones that are redirected to Christianity.
"




Let it be, you muslims are crazy.
^ Coming from a person that doesn't reject any beliefs and doesn't have anything with anyone on their beliefs.. But that reaction of muslims over that video "told me" you guys are sick and need to be educated and freed from that crap religion (Judging by many aspects, starting from having many wives and not being friends with Christians and so on.. )

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Right, a lot of things here that don't make sense or aren't relatable. First off, I'll start with what you said about the Muslim religion consisting of pure 'ignorant' people. I don't believe they are ignorant, I'm sure if you cared about your religion and followed it like religion was supposed to be followed, then you'd argue back and defend you religion and it's God/disciples/prophets. It's how religion is supposed to be. Religion isn't supposed to be over rivalry or idiotic people saying "oh your god don't exist but our god does", that's just silly. We can't stereotype the Muslim people over about 10,000 people from the religion rioting over something so silly as this. Let's think about the figures shall we, (based off 6.8 billion people in the world at the time). Here are the biggest religions and their population/density;
Christianity - #1 in the world (most popular) with 2.4 BILLION adherents.
Islam - #2 in the world - 1.65 BILLION adherents.. and then there's non-religious/non-religion.
Non-religious/non-religion - 1.12 BILLION adherents.

Now you can see the figures (true figures as of around 2010-2011), you can't argue with me saying I'm lying. We cannot say the whole of the Muslim/Islamic religion is ignorant or show some sign of violence just because of a couple of thousand individual extremists who decided to protest and carry out violent acts such as burning of the American Flag and murder. They will defend their prophets like you would defend your God if you were religious.

Some extreme believers in Christianity would do this too, don't get me wrong. Read what I say again, I'll highlight incase you try and argue back. Extremists. You know they would. However, it's hardly been shown before, if you have ever seen the Film 'Life of Brian' then you'll know what I'm saying. Nobody decided to protest about that because it was actually seen as humour, something that the Muslim's who decided to protest haven't seen in this (clearly).

Also, the last post you quoted by 'FlashyX' which said 'lol'd they are such barbaric retards./ YES, this post IS racist' you said that the muslims are crazy. I don't think he was saying he was a Muslim.. He was calling THEM barbaric. Also, don't be insulting other peoples religion, saying that it's a crap religion, because that's arrogant in itself.

I was high at the time of writting, sorry then.
You are right, well.. I do believe that not all the Muslims reacted like that and that there are some 'relaxed' ones which can take a joke.

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Originally Posted by arsenokoitai

Seriously, what are you going on about now? Just because somebody is questioning your religion over the violence, doesn't mean that he's questioning whether God, Allah, Muhammad, Jesus or whomever isn't real. You can't say because foxx said he's an atheist either, because that'd really be starting on somebody else's religious views. ;)

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No no, answer my question.

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Originally Posted by Shoelace

There are many theorys why god exist and why god doesn't exist like the big bang. There is no reason for you to say you will leave if someone can prove why god doesn't exist because you know that can't be proven because god is something people believe in, its peoples belief which is "keeping god alive" . Religion in the west is become alot less important than it was 100yrs ago.

People are taking religion too far as you can see by what some said above with the child holding up the poster. Killing people is not the way to help your religion it just makes people see the worse of your religion.



As you can see this is how the big bang works.

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Big bang? I wonder how the big bang was made, hmmm. If you say by itself, then all the Physics laws nowadays are wrong. Furthermore, do you believe in Pain? yes, because you feel it, but you can't see it, so how is that?

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Originally Posted by foxx

um, afaik Quran says that those who are not muslim are second class citizens and should be treated such

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Where is that? from "your quran"?

Okay, jackass, I don't usually get involved with you crazy folk, but your arrogance just makes me want to actually respond to whichever bullshit you're spouting

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Originally Posted by ezpzzz

Big bang? I wonder how the big bang was made, hmmm. If you say by itself, then all the Physics laws nowadays are wrong.

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It, in fact, doesn't ruin the current ideas physicists have.
Just do some research on Big Bang. Not on religion centred websites, because they tend to brush anything off as [GOD/JESUS/ALLAH/SHIVA/ODIN/FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER/Whatever]'s act.

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Originally Posted by ezpzzz

Furthermore, do you believe in Pain? yes, because you feel it, but you can't see it, so how is that?

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You just activated my trap card when you tried to use nociception for your insane trolly analogue.

Pain is a feeling. You can't see a feeling directly, because it's a result of a rather-complicated-for-you-to-understand chain of reactions in the brain that manifests as this feeling. Although you could probably use neuroimaging and find out which areas of the brain are most active while experiencing pain, then you could say that one can see pain.

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Originally Posted by ezpzzz

Where is that? from "your quran"?

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Quran 3:28
Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah , except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination

Checkmate

Guise, I am high as f*** and so is ezpz.

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Originally Posted by Moldor

I was high at the time of writting, sorry then.
You are right, well.. I do believe that not all the Muslims reacted like that and that there are some 'relaxed' ones which can take a joke.

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It's not about taking a joke. It's about how they react or how they see it. Obviously some will see it as an insult to their religion as their prophet and religion has clearly been mocked, but some do find it humorous. Not everybody has the same sense of humour.

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Originally Posted by LordDemonMan

Okay, jackass, I don't usually get involved with you crazy folk, but your arrogance just makes me want to actually respond to whichever bullshit you're spouting

It, in fact, doesn't ruin the current ideas physicists have.
Just do some research on Big Bang. Not on religion centred websites, because they tend to brush anything off as [GOD/JESUS/ALLAH/SHIVA/ODIN/FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER/Whatever]'s act.

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"the Universe was once in an extremely hot and dense state which expanded rapidly. This rapid expansion caused the Universe to cool and resulted in its present continuously expanding."
Ok cool, so the warmth came from nowhere and then BOOM the universe started expanding, seriously?
Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Originally Posted by LordDemonMan

You just activated my trap card when you tried to use nociception for your insane trolly analogue.

Pain is a feeling. You can't see a feeling directly, because it's a result of a rather-complicated-for-you-to-understand chain of reactions in the brain that manifests as this feeling. Although you could probably use neuroimaging and find out which areas of the brain are most active while experiencing pain, then you could say that one can see pain.

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You can't see it, you feel it, after half of the first sentence you started to talk non-sense.

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Originally Posted by LordDemonMan

Quran 3:28
Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah , except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination

Checkmate

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Altafsir.com - The Tafsirs - التفاسير
L4I: Quran 3:28: Muslims can't take non-Muslim friends?

Checkmate.

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Originally Posted by arsenokoitai

Right, a lot of things here that don't make sense or aren't relatable. First off, I'll start with what you said about the Muslim religion consisting of pure 'ignorant' people. I don't believe they are ignorant, I'm sure if you cared about your religion and followed it like religion was supposed to be followed, then you'd argue back and defend you religion and it's God/disciples/prophets. It's how religion is supposed to be. Religion isn't supposed to be over rivalry or idiotic people saying "oh your god don't exist but our god does", that's just silly. We can't stereotype the Muslim people over about 10,000 people from the religion rioting over something so silly as this. Let's think about the figures shall we, (based off 6.8 billion people in the world at the time). Here are the biggest religions and their population/density;
Christianity - #1 in the world (most popular) with 2.4 BILLION adherents.
Islam - #2 in the world - 1.65 BILLION adherents.. and then there's non-religious/non-religion.
Non-religious/non-religion - 1.12 BILLION adherents.

Now you can see the figures (true figures as of around 2010-2011), you can't argue with me saying I'm lying. We cannot say the whole of the Muslim/Islamic religion is ignorant or show some sign of violence just because of a couple of thousand individual extremists who decided to protest and carry out violent acts such as burning of the American Flag and murder. They will defend their prophets like you would defend your God if you were religious.

Some extreme believers in Christianity would do this too, don't get me wrong. Read what I say again, I'll highlight incase you try and argue back. Extremists. You know they would. However, it's hardly been shown before, if you have ever seen the Film 'Life of Brian' then you'll know what I'm saying. Nobody decided to protest about that because it was actually seen as humour, something that the Muslim's who decided to protest haven't seen in this (clearly).

Also, the last post you quoted by 'FlashyX' which said 'lol'd they are such barbaric retards./ YES, this post IS racist' you said that the muslims are crazy. I don't think he was saying he was a Muslim.. He was calling THEM barbaric. Also, don't be insulting other peoples religion, saying that it's a crap religion, because that's arrogant in itself.

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yeah, you can't base your views on a religion on a couple of thousands of idiot rioting.. but just because the rest isn't, doesn't mean they don't agree with it.. just look at ragezones muslims..

in the other hand, they just burned down an international SCHOOL...

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Originally Posted by ezpzzz

"the Universe was once in an extremely hot and dense state which expanded rapidly. This rapid expansion caused the Universe to cool and resulted in its present continuously expanding."
Ok cool, so the warmth came from nowhere and then BOOM the universe started expanding, seriously?
Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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So it makes less sense than the ridiculous belief that some supposedly omnipotent entity created the whole universe in a week?

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Originally Posted by ezpzzz

You can't see it, you feel it, after half of the first sentence you started to talk non-sense.

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It's just your cranium that's full of dandruff. I know what I am talking about. Even then, it's your comparison that's utter bullshit. As of today physiologists and neurophysiologists have something of an understanding just how nociception works. Sure, not everything is crystal clear yet, but it's more than a hundred years ago.
Pain is a not man-made fairy tale that turned into a massive cult. You can't apply your retarded bacon deprived logic here.

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Originally Posted by ezpzzz

Altafsir.com - The Tafsirs - التفاسير
L4I: Quran 3:28: Muslims can't take non-Muslim friends?

Checkmate.

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Have you read the whole article?
And also, this is someone's interpretation, on blogspot. Credible source. Maybe I should start a blog there as well, interpreting, oh I dunno, Encyclopaedia Britannica, saying that its index is the source of only truth and that other religions were created to try to undermine my faith, and other nonsense like that.

Well, in the end, once again we have proof that arguing with a cultist is just like playing chess with a pigeon.

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Originally Posted by ezpzzz

No no, answer my question.


Big bang? I wonder how the big bang was made, hmmm. If you say by itself, then all the Physics laws nowadays are wrong. Furthermore, do you believe in Pain? yes, because you feel it, but you can't see it, so how is that?



Where is that? from "your quran"?

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I'm sorry, you didn't imply a question when you created that post. You clearly said 'when somebody CONVINCES me that god doesn't exist then I'll leave the forum'. Since when was that a question? It's either that or you do not understand the concept of it. Not once have I said God doesn't exist, nor have I said he does..

How can the laws of physics be wrong if they've been PROVEN? As well, pain is totally different from what people call 'God'. You can actually feel pain when in it's presence, you can't feel anything if you believe your in God's presence, unless a heavy spiritualist or on some drugs (give me some of what you're smoking then please).

Also, I think foxx may be referring to the following: [a dhimmi – a non-Muslim subject living as a "second-class" citizen in an Islamic state in accordance to Quran 9:29] think you know your Holy book inside out? clearly not.

Yes, the big bang couldn't have been made otherwise. I don't know any man or miracle that can breathe in Space or it's atmosphere. So yes, it must have been made by itself. The following pretty much explains it all.. 'The explosion of dense matter that marked the origin of the universe.'
Pretty much sums it up with the "wasn't made by itself" malarkey.

I blame the god for creating the internet so I have to read all this Islamic nonsense..

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Originally Posted by ezpzzz

Big bang? I wonder how the big bang was made, hmmm. If you say by itself, then all the Physics laws nowadays are wrong. Furthermore, do you believe in Pain? yes, because you feel it, but you can't see it, so how is that?

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Pain has nothing to do with this...

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Originally Posted by ezpzzz

"the Universe was once in an extremely hot and dense state which expanded rapidly. This rapid expansion caused the Universe to cool and resulted in its present continuously expanding."
Ok cool, so the warmth came from nowhere and then BOOM the universe started expanding, seriously?

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This is why is was so hot not God.

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If the universe was initially very, very hot as the Big Bang suggests, we should be able to find some remnant of this heat. In 1965, Radioastronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin (-454.765 degree Fahrenheit, -270.425 degree Celsius) Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB) which pervades the observable universe. This is thought to be the remnant which scientists were looking for. Penzias and Wilson shared in the 1978 Nobel Prize for Physics for their discovery.

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Originally Posted by ezpzzz

"the Universe was once in an extremely hot and dense state which expanded rapidly. This rapid expansion caused the Universe to cool and resulted in its present continuously expanding."
Ok cool, so the warmth came from nowhere and then BOOM the universe started expanding, seriously?
Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


You can't see it, you feel it, after half of the first sentence you started to talk non-sense.


Altafsir.com - The Tafsirs - التفاسير
L4I: Quran 3:28: Muslims can't take non-Muslim friends?

Checkmate.

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I'm sorry but you can't use the big bang to say theism is correct. That is not what religion is about, far from it. At best this is Agnostic, belief that there might be something out there bigger than us, but has no real impact on us.

Though it's kind of refreshing that a religious person would try and use the big bang as proof. Somewhat like when Evolution was first introduced and Christianity jumped on it. Does this mean if we prove where the big bang came from, you would instantly become Atheist? Because there is something similar in quantum physics where atoms can appear out of nowhere, it's possible that is how the big bang started (maybe, who knows?).

At the end of the day Religion sits in the fringes of science, which are rapidly declining. This is imo why most religions are intolerant of science, for every new major discovery it makes, it removes a "God did it!" argument. Like the (very) old "science doesn't know how the tides work" comment you often hear, which is laughably wrong now because we know exactly how they work.

As for the film, for the 5min I watched of the trailer, are you fucking kidding me. Either the films over there are complete shit, and this looks like a professional film, or they need to wake the fuck up. This isn't a Hollywood production. If you are going to react this badly to a shitty film like that, frankly you deserve to be offended. If I were one of those Christians who was trying to antagonise Islamic people, I'd look at this and think "wow that was easy, lets do more". Do they really think protests will stop small time productions in a world with the internet? It's laughably stupid imo, they should have just shot back with a mocking film of Christianity.


On a side note on faith and beliefs, I'm just wondering how old you religious people were when you first started going to Church/Mosque/Where ever. I personally feel very strongly that no one under the age of 18 should be allowed to be religious. Possibly a little younger in some countries, generally the age people legally become an adult. Before then, you can't reasonably have all the options and arguments. Before then, you don't have faith, your parents force faith upon you. Frankly I'd call that child abuse by both religions and parents, and it should be stopped asap. If you choose to become religious when you are 18, by all means I totally support every, and any, non-aggressive religion. I would be surprised if any religious book calls for violence because that would be a bad moral lesson, which really would go against the very origins of religions as a source of control for the masses.
This goes for any religion that tries to attract children btw. Kids will believe anything, they are easy targets. They should be protected from this stuff imo.

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Originally Posted by LordDemonMan

So it makes less sense than the ridiculous belief that some supposedly omnipotent entity created the whole universe in a week?

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Quran and the Beginning of the World : The key to understanding Islam
Creation and Evolution in Islam
really everything was written before 14 centuries. My aim is to tell that something doesn't come from nothing, so the one who created the universe was Allah.

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Originally Posted by LordDemonMan

It's just your cranium that's full of dandruff. I know what I am talking about. Even then, it's your comparison that's utter bullshit. As of today physiologists and neurophysiologists have something of an understanding just how nociception works. Sure, not everything is crystal clear yet, but it's more than a hundred years ago.
Pain is a not man-made fairy tale that turned into a massive cult. You can't apply your retarded bacon deprived logic here.

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Nice but I've already known that, it's not my point and you're changing the subject, let me make it more clearly, do you see Pain?

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Originally Posted by LordDemonMan

Have you read the whole article?
And also, this is someone's interpretation, on blogspot. Credible source. Maybe I should start a blog there as well, interpreting, oh I dunno, Encyclopaedia Britannica, saying that its index is the source of only truth and that other religions were created to try to undermine my faith, and other nonsense like that.

Well, in the end, once again we have proof that arguing with a cultist is just like playing chess with a pigeon.

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I think I should tell you if you have read the whole article or not, because if you did, you would have been ashamed talking to me right now, for your knowledge the tafsir (explanation) what he wrote was according to Islam, I didn't want to write it because my English isn't fluent (I had to translate it from Arabic to English) also why didn't you say anything about the another site? hmmm.
Checkmate (again)

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Originally Posted by arsenokoitai

I'm sorry, you didn't imply a question when you created that post. You clearly said 'when somebody CONVINCES me that god doesn't exist then I'll leave the forum'. Since when was that a question? It's either that or you do not understand the concept of it. Not once have I said God doesn't exist, nor have I said he does..

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That's not what I said: if someone convinces me why God doesn't exist I will leave this forum for good, plus I'll give him 50$ as a present for guiding me, you are right because grammatically it's not a question.

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Originally Posted by arsenokoitai

How can the laws of physics be wrong if they've been PROVEN? As well, pain is totally different from what people call 'God'. You can actually feel pain when in it's presence, you can't feel anything if you believe your in God's presence, unless a heavy spiritualist or on some drugs (give me some of what you're smoking then please).

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How? simple, if something comes from nothing then that changes the whole Physics laws or not? also read above please so you can understand better.
[QUOTE=arsenokoitai;7248457]

Also, I think foxx may be referring to the following: [a dhimmi – a non-Muslim subject living as a "second-class" citizen in an Islamic state in accordance to Quran 9:29] think you know your Holy book inside out? clearly not.
Yes I know my book better than you, is that what you meant? Surat At-Tawbah [9:29] - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم so what's wrong

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Originally Posted by arsenokoitai

Yes, the big bang couldn't have been made otherwise. I don't know any man or miracle that can breathe in Space or it's atmosphere. So yes, it must have been made by itself. The following pretty much explains it all.. 'The explosion of dense matter that marked the origin of the universe.'
Pretty much sums it up with the "wasn't made by itself" malarkey.

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Really you started to talk non-sense again, read above. I guess you guys learn Physics for nothing, or maybe you don't learn it at all?

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Originally Posted by Robert

I'm sorry but you can't use the big bang to say theism is correct. That is not what religion is about, far from it. At best this is Agnostic, belief that there might be something out there bigger than us, but has no real impact on us.

Though it's kind of refreshing that a religious person would try and use the big bang as proof. Somewhat like when Evolution was first introduced and Christianity jumped on it. Does this mean if we prove where the big bang came from, you would instantly become Atheist? Because there is something similar in quantum physics where atoms can appear out of nowhere, it's possible that is how the big bang started (maybe, who knows?).

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Really I wonder how they come from nowhere, hmm. God isn't forcing anyone to believe it's up to you.

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Originally Posted by Robert

At the end of the day Religion sits in the fringes of science, which are rapidly declining. This is imo why most religions are intolerant of science, for every new major discovery it makes, it removes a "God did it!" argument. Like the (very) old "science doesn't know how the tides work" comment you often hear, which is laughably wrong now because we know exactly how they work.
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No, just for your information, I don't want to say everything, but most of things that scientists discovered were written in the Quran before 14 centuries (Baby developments, creation of the universe, etc)

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Originally Posted by Robert

As for the film, for the 5min I watched of the trailer, are you fucking kidding me. Either the films over there are complete shit, and this looks like a professional film, or they need to wake the fuck up. This isn't a Hollywood production. If you are going to react this badly to a shitty film like that, frankly you deserve to be offended. If I were one of those Christians who was trying to antagonise Islamic people, I'd look at this and think "wow that was easy, lets do more". Do they really think protests will stop small time productions in a world with the internet? It's laughably stupid imo, they should have just shot back with a mocking film of Christianity.

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What film? in my signature? where it says it's Hollywood production? LOL, even the scenes were taken from Hollywood movies , like 2012,
the scenes are for to clear what the Shiekh (speaker) is saying about the end of the world, that's all, really it doesn't require a high IQ.

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Originally Posted by Robert

On a side note on faith and beliefs, I'm just wondering how old you religious people were when you first started going to Church/Mosque/Where ever. I personally feel very strongly that no one under the age of 18 should be allowed to be religious. Possibly a little younger in some countries, generally the age people legally become an adult. Before then, you can't reasonably have all the options and arguments. Before then, you don't have faith, your parents force faith upon you. Frankly I'd call that child abuse by both religions and parents, and it should be stopped asap. If you choose to become religious when you are 18, by all means I totally support every, and any, non-aggressive religion. I would be surprised if any religious book calls for violence because that would be a bad moral lesson, which really would go against the very origins of religions as a source of control for the masses.
This goes for any religion that tries to attract children btw. Kids will believe anything, they are easy targets. They should be protected from this stuff imo.

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I agree with some parts of what you said like you still don't have the right knowledge to argue with someone about your religion because it requires a high responsibility that's why I'm careful with what I'm saying, though I might do some mistakes in the end I'm Human moreover if you don't understand you can look up about Islam but from the right sources I'm sure you will understand better. However in Islam no one forces you to believe, you can believe whenever you want, the sooner the better because you don't know when you will die, about children, why some children go to the church? because that's what their parents taught them, they grew up in a Christianity environment.

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Really you started to talk non-sense again, read above. I guess you guys learn Physics for nothing, or maybe you don't learn it at all?


Really I wonder how they come from nowhere, hmm. God isn't forcing anyone to believe it's up to you.

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If you actually read what i put then you know that the heat didn't come from no where.

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"the Universe was once in an extremely hot and dense state which expanded rapidly. This rapid expansion caused the Universe to cool and resulted in its present continuously expanding."
Ok cool, so the warmth came from nowhere and then BOOM the universe started expanding, seriously?

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This is why is was so hot not God.

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If the universe was initially very, very hot as the Big Bang suggests, we should be able to find some remnant of this heat. In 1965, Radioastronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin (-454.765 degree Fahrenheit, -270.425 degree Celsius) Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB) which pervades the observable universe. This is thought to be the remnant which scientists were looking for. Penzias and Wilson shared in the 1978 Nobel Prize for Physics for their discovery.

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Theorizing where we came from is just pointless. The simple fact is that even the most intelligent people on the planet have absolutely no clue.

If you were to compare this story to where water comes from, then most people understand it comes from the tap and the researchers understand that it originates from the ground. How it got there in the ground is beyond all of us.

The big bang does not prove or disprove that a god exists. If anything I side more with the idea that something does exist beyond what we can grasp, now I'm not saying it's an all knowing god, but the way I see it, matter has to come from somewhere, there can't be a big bag if there is absolutely nothing out there. So if there is something out there, who knows how much is out there. Maybe someone did create the universe, maybe someone took some matter and placed it in some empty space and created the universe, maybe that person is so far beyond what we are able to, that we think of that being as a god (maybe it's the only way we can even grasp such a higher being). Of course the question is, where did they come from, what started that life.

In the end, no one knows, there is no proof that there is a god, especially not in the way that most religions describe (this cannot be denied since religious believe in god - if it was a fact then it wouldn't be believing, it would be knowing), but there is no proof that there is no god.
This is also why I think atheism is bullcrap, atheism says there is no god, end of story, but since there is no proof, it is just a believe that there is no god, which makes them hypocrites for believing in a reality that they can't proof.

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If you actually read what i put then you know that the heat didn't come from no where.

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Sorry I read it twice and I still don't understand (no offence - you're not the only one whose English isn't good, lol :-) )

People trash on Americans All the time. People trash on Evolutionists all the time.

Why don't I burn down buildings?

I'm not a little bitch...

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Sorry I read it twice and I still don't understand (no offence - you're not the only one whose English isn't good, lol :-) )

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My English is perfectly fine, i will put it into a more simpler form, If the universe was very, very hot as we have already stated before so we need to find out where this heat comes from, well in 1965, Radioastronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered a Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB). Also before you said

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I guess you guys learn Physics for nothing, or maybe you don't learn it at all?

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Actually there is things that defy the laws of physics like singularities, a singularity is what is believed to be the start of the universe , singularities are also thought to be found in the core of blackholes.


Anyway, after all this fighting over who is right and who is wrong, the Islamic belief of Allah creating the the universe can not be proven however nor can the big bang theory be proven.

http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2...Park-300x0.jpg


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Google won't take down anti-Muslim clip | CTVNews

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http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2...Park-300x0.jpg


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I think its really stupid that as soon as some disrespects something they result to violence , what is violence going achieve ... NOTHING just more chaos and more people thinking bad things about religion. It isn't helping they religion by bringing violence in, it is just making them look pathetic that they bring inhumane punishment back. Also i think Youtube has made the right decision to keep the video up because we all have the freedom of speech so let us express it.

I don't mean to offend anyone if i have, however we have the freedom of speech so im express my opinion.

Don't you just love how this 'peaceful' and 'loving' and 'religious' group of people who supposedly uphold Religious value not only in themselves but their Culture as-well are bringing all this about? Since when does someone who upholds a God in their values and worships them and believes and claims to follow the traditions and ways of that Religion cause such violence and Chaos. Not only that but go around making threats of slaughtering thousands of people, all while doing it in the name of their prophet.

Yeah, that makes so much fucking sense I might just hit myself in the head with a hammer and call me Tupac.

Seriously though, let them keep pulling all this shit and making all these threats. I guarantee you the second that one of these major threats gets carried through and we lose a really prominent social figure, or a bunch of citizens is the day that their nation gets buttfucked up the ass horridly and loses ~50% of their population. America is the known super-power bully of the world, so yeah, that makes a lot of sense to fuck with them, right? Oh but wait, these are the same people who supposedly uphold religious values doing all this, so that's to be expected.

This is so fucking stupid. They need to grow the hell up and stop being so damn foolish.

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People need to think this through. First, Google states in the article that the clip is "widely available on the web"; even if Google takes it down, that doesn't stop its proliferation. Secondly, taking it down starts them down a slippery slope; do they start taking down anything that denigrates the Christian faith, or the Jewish faith, etc? Don't get me wrong, I'm not agreeing with the video, but come on...it was created by an Egyptian Coptic Catholic, how does this translate to "kill the US" anyway??

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If you don't believe in free speech that offends you, you don't believe in free speech at all. Limiting access to the video in those countries is already going too far. The fact that some of you think a video is the problem here, not the people doing the killing, is just mind-boggling to me. Is it the actual content that convinced you they should take it down, or the reaction to the content? I'm sure some of your liberal social views are extremely offensive to the rioters too. Are you going to censor yourself on that, or wait until they start killing people because of it?

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Freedom of speech protects works based on opinion. This particular video does not fall within the guidelines of "hate speech". As such there is no violation of any North American laws and therefore is deemed legal. If we capitulate to any and all requests from outside interests we might as well not allow ourselves any freedom of speech.

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GO GOOGLE! Guess what people, sometimes things some people think are funny, will not be funny to others, all well. Grow up everyone has been bullied. Move on. As far as I am concerned the video was created as a form of freedom of speech in America. They don't like it they don't have to watch it. A video is no reason to kill another human being and if people are that morally confused well then.... enjoy a visit from the marines. Thank you Google for protecting our freedom of speech. Ps its a stupid video anyway get over it, go watch Passion of the Christ.

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Google is not much better than the goof that made the video. It is sad that in this world that a video can inflame people so much. But, it is even sadder that knowing this fact there are people in this world willing to throw fuel on it and turn their back on efforts to quell that flame. I can figure out their motive, are they trying to make a mark in history or they just insensitive and uncaring people? People have died and will continue to die because of this stupidity. I hate to say this but people in this world need to grow up and practice some religious sensitivity and tolerance.

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Good! Our Freedom of Speech should not be dictated by a few fundamentalists who let violence and murder flow through them. This not only goes for the Islamic side, but as well as the Christian ones here back home, too. Besides the movie is so horribly edited and acted that I'm surprised anyone even paid any attention to it. If anything, it's just hilarious.

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Bravo, Google. It concerns me greatly that the White House feels compelled to pander and capitulate to the demands of Muslim fundamentalists, especially those violent Islamic bullies, thugs, and terrorists threatening America lives. Condemning an inflammatory movie is one thing; however, effectively self-condemning a major distinguishing Western principle -- freedom of speech and expression -- is a foolish and unacceptable mistake. Obama & Company should be ashamed of themselves.

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surprised we havent just fkin nuked em and gotten it all over with .

Lol it doesn't work that way. Violence solves nothing, it only creates fear.

yh thats true thats true . but i mean the US like u said is like a bully around the world why would they wanna fuck with us in the first place if they know it ? that erks me . unless they want more of there people to be killed then alrdy is lolll

There's a fine line between protecting a people and creating a new genocide....killing all Muslim's just because of a few radicals would be like Hitler and the Holocaust...

Not all Muslim's are radicals like the ones you hear about in the news constantly...and this is coming from a Jew BTW...many live normal lives and even have adapted to new age thoughts and ideas...

ANY religion can be construed into violence and anger if taught that way...the Bible...the Quran...The Tanakh...even the Canon of Trent...can all be twisted into whatever means someone wants them to be as long as there are people out there gullible enough to believe...

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Really I wonder how they come from nowhere, hmm. God isn't forcing anyone to believe it's up to you.
No, just for your information, I don't want to say everything, but most of things that scientists discovered were written in the Quran before 14 centuries (Baby developments, creation of the universe, etc)
What film? in my signature? where it says it's Hollywood production? LOL, even the scenes were taken from Hollywood movies , like 2012,
the scenes are for to clear what the Shiekh (speaker) is saying about the end of the world, that's all, really it doesn't require a high IQ.
I agree with some parts of what you said like you still don't have the right knowledge to argue with someone about your religion because it requires a high responsibility that's why I'm careful with what I'm saying, though I might do some mistakes in the end I'm Human moreover if you don't understand you can look up about Islam but from the right sources I'm sure you will understand better. However in Islam no one forces you to believe, you can believe whenever you want, the sooner the better because you don't know when you will die, about children, why some children go to the church? because that's what their parents taught them, they grew up in a Christianity environment.

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You might wonder, but frankly so is everyone involved in Quantum Mechanics. I would suggest if you are interested to have a read about it, but then what's the point if you genuinely believe God did everything anyway.

If you seriously believe everything in science is written in your holy book (this goes for any religion) you are need to step back and have a think about what you are saying. Fair enough saying *God created people* and then deciding evolution was the process it used, but saying evolution is in your holy book is completely wrong on so many levels. What if evolution is found to be inaccurate in 100 years (it's an on going field, even if it is a fact!), taking it and saying it was written here all along just opens yourself up to criticism.
Not to mention the size of every holy book is tiny compared to the wealth of knowledge science has discovered. You'd probably need a holy book the size of several libraries....

I was speaking of the trailer (and subsequent film I presume) linked in the opening post. I watched the first few seconds of your signature film, it looked like some religious propaganda so I turned it off. Sorry, I'm just not interested in organised religion any more. I simply have no respect for anyone who tries to convert anyone, and I can't listen to someone I don't respect. That's just my personal philosophy, having an agenda degrades the message. It goes for political messages too.

I have no interest in judging your religion, as long as it is peaceful. Even the attacks I understand are done by people, not religions, so as long as the religion leaders themselves aren't actively involved, then it's the people who should be punished. I understand everyone has a different perspective to me, and as such I can't be the one to judge them, unless it comes to violence (which I personally am against all forms of).

What I was talking about was the targeting of children by religions. That is a system, and I can judge that, because it's simple child abuse imo. Children are very susceptible to suggestions by adults, that is why there are child militants, and normally adult ones too for that matter. Children generally believe anything they are told, and only start really questioning things when they are what 13+? Hell, questioning stuff itself is a skill taught in school, and which faith school would tell children to question their faith? None.

Again, I have no qualms with peaceful organised religion as a whole, if the practices started at an age where having faith was a choice, and not forced upon them by an adult (which is likely what happened to 90%+ of religious people I would bet).