The Current State Of Fiesta Private Servers?

Hey,

I've noticed this forum has gotten less and less active, when it comes to subjects that really matter, and all there's left is hostility.

I haven't heard any positive feedback judging the current servers. From my understanding, most servers seem to be lacking creativity. There's no groundbreaking developement here on Ragezone. No one showcases their projects and progress anymore. Seems all developement is stagnating.

What's your opinion on the matter? Elaborate please.

Also, please don't turn this into a shitfest. :)

Well fiesta private server. What really is there at the moment. There is three types of servers out there:
1. Money Wanting Hoes
2. Community Built and Developed Private Servers
3. Bored people who just want to do something and don't care about others.

Some servers are a merge of the types but it is easier to outline them as three different types.

The current state of the servers is full of leaching, spoon fed people. It is disgusting how many people just want to be given everything on a plate and do quite literally nothing for themselves. I admit; I am not built to develop Fiesta; I have other skills in my pallet. But I still enjoy playing Fiesta servers, just not the official versions.

I have been around for many years playing Fiesta, from Outspark to Private servers: I really enjoyed the first private servers since they were fresh and new (*New as in quick leveling, free cs items, etc.) - Lets face it all now, this is not here any more; It isn't fresh all it is, is people copying every other server that has/was number 1 in an attempt to get to number 1 themselves and probably get money. It is extremely disgusting that this is there.

On to fiesta development, I would be extremely surprised if any recent server files are going to be released - purely because the ones who have them are either extremely selfish, ego maniacs, money grabbing whores or they just don't care. As Myth has said below: the source code isn't publicly available, if it was public it would be a extremely good chance for good amount of development to be introduced to Fiesta, there are ideas some have which others don't like; so they are resilient to release such a source.

I feel that any updated files that were to be released, as were Dusk/Odin files at the time, would be a brand new step for the Fiesta pserver community, Odin files brang in a little more development step. The files before Dusk/Odin - we were at the exact same position as we are now, little development, no real fun servers out there. It is getting old; maybe it is dying out as a whole but regardless - some people will play Fiesta because its a nice game but just needs development on everything.

Crusader, yes it is shit but we could learn a lot from those files; we could change crusader into any class we want. Maybe creating a spear class? maybe. It would give the community a new project to build on.

As I have previously stated at first it is a community project; see how others do things; learn and develop those ideas.

So yes, thats my opinion on the current state of Fiesta Private Servers and what could be.

Chris/Lunerica.

It has been this way for a long time now, last real "development" I've seen around here was Zepheus (or however it's spelled), other than that, it's just the standard shit where someone leaks something or someone takes somebodies server files and throws them here.

This is one of the many games where no source code is publicly available, so I doubt you'll ever see any real "development" taking place, plus the game's pretty much the same thing it has always been.

games dead :glare: its had its good days now the time to put it to rest

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Originally Posted by jhongeek

games dead :glare: its had its good days now the time to put it to rest

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Obviously there needs to be something to reignite the spark of Fiesta.

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Originally Posted by Lunerica

Obviously there needs to be something to reignite the spark of Fiesta.

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what would that be ?

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Originally Posted by Lunerica

Obviously there needs to be something to reignite the spark of Fiesta.

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Crusader!

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Originally Posted by Myth

Crusader!

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would need more then that.

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Originally Posted by Myth

Crusader!

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Tbh; it would actually reignite the community. While it would have it down turns of needing more updated files, which obviously no one here is willing to release.

Crusader would have potential; maybe if this was released; people would be able to learn how to make a new class, change it to how they see fit.

I do agree the state of developement has been like this for some time, at least when it comes to the gameplay. Even the OS files has their limits on creativity(there's a limit to how many times you want to experience the same thing). Fiesta Heroes on the other hand opens up for a lot of oppurtunities. People will need to make due with what they have.

However, I think there's other ways to ingite the spark. With better tools and services, and make it publicly available. So that it can drive the community to improve. Developement doesn't have to be related to gameplay alone.

I think the mindset of most individuals in this section, is the real problem. Instead of encouraging people to learn, they're putting them down, as well as being hostile towards eachother.

I don't know if the game's dead just yet. There has been a rise in population on the retail servers. The game has it's charm, which makes it hard to forget completely. Although I do agree, the retail servers aren't doing much to take Fiesta in the right direction. I'm sure we can all agree the Crusador class didn't live up to it's hype. Perhaps it is becoming an old dog, waiting to be put down.

Concerning the Crusader class. All I'm going to say is that, I think it's just a huge pile of dogshit.

When talking about mentality, it goes both ways, the reason there's hostility within the section is because 90% of those who want something done, just want it spoon-fed to them. I don't mind helping a person when I see that they generally need help, and don't want/expect a spoon-feed, but I expect them to fill the blanks and get the outcome they want with their own effort, especially if someone did something with nothing, having some sort of guidance (even 1 step) is better than the person who initially developed or fixed the said issue.

The rise is temporarily, just like the time when Tricksters first made their appearance, it'll only last while the interest is there, each person will take a shot at the new class then either continue with the new class or sigh and move on.

Yeah, I do agree it goes both ways. However, we as the active members of the community have the ability to turn the tides. Set the bar of expectation, to the people who want to part-take in the community. Instead of saying "Go fck urself plz", we could be more tolerant and push them in the right direction. There will always be people who want everything served with a silver spoon, but I do believe there are people genuinely interested in improving.

The class doesn't matter. Fiesta is a communal game. I mean afterall, it IS an entry-level MMO. Try the class => Meet old friends => Reminisce about the days => Get hook'd. Gamigo is well aware of that, and I think they're also well aware that the class was a pile of shit.

It's had a pretty long run, people are just moving on I guess.

well after reading all your post, we can clearly see the nostalgia of the old time when you guys were working together to get things to work

i really agree with your arguments about the fact that fiesta section is stagnating and i would even say .. is regressing. People doesn't share knowledge like they use to. As you guys already said and i was trying to explain to someone (who kept telling me that with source code there is no limit and such thing...) the game itself is old, its game-play , it's graphics, etc etc is old , and this is a sort of limit to me ... yeah it can be incremented but it wouldn't be as good as current games and mainly it wouldn't be the "same game" etc etc.

So obviously most talented or at least motivated People(like i was in the past) just lost interest for many others reasons... if you remember i was the first to try to help People as much as possible, the first to try things even with my poor knowledge in general. but i just lost interest, lost hope, lost motivation and mainly lost the want to learn how to Dev for this game. And the problem is that my feeling seems to be the same in the whole fiesta section.

Well maybe a sort of project leaded, supervised by the elite of the section would recreate or at lest re-boost its dynamics. i'm not talking about spoon feeding , i'm talking about a project where People like the team of the Victus or Extrinsic provides help to 'recreate' the Hk files or w.e.. provides help to know what we exactly need to learn , what we need to do .... how things works etc etc. Because i tried in the past and i came to the conclusion that i don't know what to learn, what to do, where to start etc etc. i don't even know if the files publicly released can be fixed at all.
But I 'm not so utopist, a such project would take times and mainly is a kind of wast of time for those person who have no benefit in helping ppl when lot of them will just wait a release without trying to contribute and mainly the money is another obstacle to the work in community.. we're not at wonderland like some may say ^^


as conclusion i think ill follow harry's : "People are just moving on". So..Yes, we've had fun but maybe it's time to do the same and definitively stop fiesta ?

Ps: i aware that this project is an utopia.

Good day RageZoners,

I have been touched by the seriousness of this thread and there hasn't been a single flame or troll. (I'm also being serious here) I'm glad!

Well, I'm tired of having to depend on someone else hard-worked-on files like OnsOnSoft. I have given it lots of thought and I'm willing to make a new game with a group of developers and graphics designers. If it's your code, then you know where everything is lying and you know what the error causes are(most of the time). And working on your game is so much faster and efficient. We have so many examples to take and make the idea come to life. Some of us have had experience with the Fiesta Online servers. We observed, we studied, we understood, we developed, we modified, we created.

If you take the Zepheus emulator, you can take ideas on the Socket connections, the connection with the zones - passing on the arguments to the services, the reading of SHN files, connect and read the database, asynchronously send player and account information using Sockets to the connected Client. Observe, study, understand and put to life.
Another example is the source code of the Client.exe that is the master of the client. It is that and the .dll's included that put the game to life using all the .nif and .shn files.
Now I don't know if it's the legit thing but here it is.
Study that and get ideas, question yourself, search and learn.

Most of you will laugh at me or think I'm a complete retard. Who says dreaming is bad? If you truly wanna do something, you will do it and succeed. I'm willing to sit on that chair and learn! I might not match Stu's programming knowledge but I'm not useless either and I'm willing to learn. I love programming as much as playing MMO games and I won't back down!
I really want to learn from somebody and I'd appreciate if someone would be willing to teach me.

It would be awesome if you felt the same way like I and respect these words I have written in this post.

Let me hear what you have to say.
Best regards,
Alex.

I don't believe that people don't have ideas and there is always new people wanting to make a server. But the problems are that they aren't able to really be creative and the fact that, the hostility sometimes may push them away. I had a lot of ideas for new features and customs such as mobs but I am just not able to implement such features because I have to work with what I have and try to create things based around features already in the game. Most of the people in the Fiesta community are young and not very experienced with programming languages. The experienced ones who have learnt a programming language are the ones who have been here for the most time and are the ones who have contributed the most.

It's pretty simple to grasp how the files work and editing a few SHN files is quick and easy to figure out. But I believe that people are limited to what they currently have and because these files that everyone uses is limited to what features they currently have then people can't really add new content. Without the tools and the ability to go beyond the features the EXE's currently present us it isn't possible for us or for new people to really do what they may have wanted to try and do.

There are people here who have tools and new files and sources and even if they really did release them only a few amount of people would actually be able to use those properly, even so they haven't released them so it's really not fair to say it's dying due to the fact that there is no creativity because these files are limited to the features they present to us.

well ; to me,
Have 10 new creatives people wanting to do a server and 5 advanced persons that forgo and/or loose their motivation is like : do 2 step foreward and then do 10 step backwards. i don't know if that even make sens in english , hope you understood o_o

well you're right there is creative new people everyday but that doesn't really help the progression. for instance when i first make appearance i didn't even know what was Sql stored procedure and such things. and what happened is that i started learning things as much as possible and i simply lost interest in fiesta itself,
for instance i started blender'ing but in noway ill produce things for fiesta, that would be wasted time to me , plus project would be to limited.. so yes i agree with you... all those limitation just made me lost interest in this game(dev for it)

finally they have tool because they made them and i respect the fact they want to release or not mainly when you see that some person just use those and claim credits etc etc. we can't and we shouldn't blame advanced Developers for being reticent :o

after i'm not saying you're wrong , just telling my own point of view that may diverge but is not totally different and ; to me, we both are right

Ps: i'm talking about me , me feeling and my experience because i don't know what others really think about it(the topic)... It's neither narcissism nor ego-centrism. No telepathic powers out there ! :P

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well ; to me,
finally they have tool because they made them and i respect the fact they want to release or not mainly when you see that some person just use those and claim credits etc etc. we can't and we shouldn't blame advanced Developers for being reticent :o

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I agree with you but since no one else is knowledged enough no one is going to get anywhere really. Maybe release lite version like Myth did? Better than nothing. I've only seen several people actually contribute anything worthwhile to the Fiesta community though and since all the new people have no experience and knowledge they can't create anything. I mean most of the people that come here are 11-17 or something and I doubt most of them have any coding knowledge.

But yeah it's not just the tools.

Pirate elves was my idea fuck crusader I had a sick gameplay idea for the class too fuck.

Btw, remember the days people begged for the dusk files? I do. Shut the fuck up new files are nothing for you people.

Some people still don't even understand how the REST system handled authentication fucking hell.

Ruined the mood, Klear. :glare:

Yeah, I remember we had some cool ideas for the game, back when Dusk was using the 2008 files. Remember factions, oh and Windmill?!

While the files do set a limit to people's creativity, there are a lot of ideas that can be put to life with the current ones. Rather than doing the same old thing. However, good content requires time, and most people seem to care about the money.

Those with the money lack creativity, but those without the money could actually make a good server.. depending on who they are of course.

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Good day RageZoners,

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btw that link you posted i wish i could tell the truth about it :) also the code is real on the page but is for an older version of the client

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Originally Posted by jhongeek

btw that link you posted i wish i could tell the truth about it :) also the code is real on the page but is for an older version of the client

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Are you not allowed to tell us the truth about it? :(

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Originally Posted by Dragonluck4

Are you not allowed to tell us the truth about it? :(

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no sorry as i don't want to make any enemies or put anything at risk.

You can't handle the truth!

Either way, it doesn't matter if the source is available or not. As you can see, it's written in C++, and as far as I know there aren't many C++ developers around. The only person I know has some knowledge in C++ has to be Stu. You don't need the source-code to make enjoyable experiences for your players. :)

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You can't handle the truth!

Either way, it doesn't matter if the source is available or not. As you can see, it's written in C++, and as far as I know there aren't many C++ developers around. The only person I know has some knowledge in C++ has to be Stu. You don't need the source-code to make enjoyable experiences for your players. :)

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indeed there is a lot that can be done without it :)

@jhongeek The whole point of me providing that link was a way to show that there are plenty of ways to learn, such as by just studying a single piece of code. I don't mind the date of it and I know it is old. But the idea of the code is still the same.

@Manova Even though I might not be a C++ programmer, I understand quite a big part of that code. Experience sometimes can mean far more than knowledge, but in times they could also mean the same thing.

@Dragonluck4 I have heard, seen, discussed great ideas. It's human nature to be creative, if you are inspired that is. It's quite exciting to see how different people think differently of things and thus the great ideas are born, but if you do not hold the source code of the .exe's, then that's what is meant when you say "restricted by the files".
But hey, many things can still be done with the files as they are. In the end of the day we are not as restricted as we assume we are, because There's more than one way to skin a cat, a saying says.

All I'm meaning to say is that, if the code/game is yours you have 3 benefits:
1. You are not restricted in any way.
2. You are proud for your hard work.
3. You could make money of it later, but that would be a waste so it's the last benefit of all.

I appreciate the focus on my post and the discussion of it, I hope it turns into something positive in the end!

Lol, why am I not surprised.

Either way, the retail servers haven't announced closure of the game. I don't see what makes you guys claim it's "dead"?

Lack of originality. About the new class... You have similar class, if not the same, in other games. And you have the at-certain-level-creatable-class system that World of Warcraft and probably other games have, with Death Knight.

They had great ideas, but for some reason, I'm not so excited with their releases anymore, as much as I use to. Trickster was a grand release to me. For 4 years, Fiesta has had the usual Fighter-Cleric-Mage-Archer classes and then suddenly a new class is released. That was grand and exciting to me. But for some reason Crusader didn't have the same impact on me..

Trickster was something completely new for us. We'd spent four years with the same four classes and then when they were released it was a huge deal. We'd always wondered as players about dual weapons and we finally got what we wanted there. Crusader on the other hand just seemed like a way to bring players back from pservers. They know we have these new files with trickster and working instances and this was their way of pulling in the players. To me this class didn't feel right because not only does feel like yesterday since we got a new class, but because of they way it's built. I think we were expecting something flashy from this new class. Something new to fiesta that we hadn't seen yet. Instead we got a mash up of different classes.

They could try altering Wizard from his Summoning skills such as Summon and Firewalker and exchanging those for some other nice skills. And after that is done, create a new class as a Venomancer. Who wouldn't want to summon Apes and stuff and use them as slaves? Don't tell me it is over-powered because it isn't at all. A class isn't over-powered, it's the stats you give it that makes it over-powered.

Trickster was a melee, attack damage, fighter, so as a Venomancer which is a ranged, magic damage, mage. Little less damage than Mage, a bit higher defense and stuff like that.

Just an idea that I have inherited by Dragonluck4 and added up on it a bit.

I've always wondered why servers have never thought of giving summon more than one level. Why not with each summon have a stronger mob in that line come up. I mean for level 1 you've got skeletons, why not for level 2 have skeleton archers, level 3 have skeleton soldiers and so on until you get to the final mob in that line. People might say it's over powered but the truth is it's only over powered if you make it that way. You could have helga as a summon completely overpowered if you wanted. Imagine that running around a map killing everything for you lol.

Not such a bad idea. :P I'll stick to starting a new game, thought! ;)

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I've always wondered why servers have never thought of giving summon more than one level. Why not with each summon have a stronger mob in that line come up. I mean for level 1 you've got skeletons, why not for level 2 have skeleton archers, level 3 have skeleton soldiers and so on until you get to the final mob in that line. People might say it's over powered but the truth is it's only over powered if you make it that way. You could have helga as a summon completely overpowered if you wanted. Imagine that running around a map killing everything for you lol.

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was actually what i was gana do in odin but we didnt get to cap raise

Another thing I haven't seen is the anti-henneath characters being used. You don't specifically have to use them for that particular KQ if you don't want to you can dress them up how you like. You could have a pirate theme kind of KQ or instance going on. Edit the buccaneer suit and the bandana into 5 different colours for each class for lower pirates and the buccaneer hat for captains, everytime you kill a set of "pirates" and their "captain" a treasure chest spawns. This probably sucks but it's still an idea for people to take if they want it. It's something different too that's not been seen before, at least as far as i know anyway.

I was trying to change the armor but I never figured out how to change it.

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Another thing I haven't seen is the anti-henneath characters being used. You don't specifically have to use them for that particular KQ if you don't want to you can dress them up how you like. You could have a pirate theme kind of KQ or instance going on. Edit the buccaneer suit and the bandana into 5 different colours for each class for lower pirates and the buccaneer hat for captains, everytime you kill a set of "pirates" and their "captain" a treasure chest spawns. This probably sucks but it's still an idea for people to take if they want it. It's something different too that's not been seen before, at least as far as i know anyway.

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It should be in the base-files that most use, I implemented two maps back in Dusk that had mobs who were using NPC's dressed up as players, they even had +9 weapons and used player-skills.

BH_DarkTown and BH_DarkCave

Hooking custom DLLs to replace functions makes anything possible. Only issue is no one in the Fiesta scene can even grasp the concept of making a launcher. We've done some pretty amazing things with RF doing this.

Until an actual developer gets interested in Fiesta, good luck with any "unique" content.

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Hooking custom DLLs to replace functions makes anything possible. Only issue is no one in the Fiesta scene can even grasp the concept of making a launcher. We've done some pretty amazing things with RF doing this.

Until an actual developer gets interested in Fiesta, good luck with any "unique" content.

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Me no understand why you compared two different areas together; injecting DLL's is far more ASM based than coding a launcher, I've seen people who can code just fine but are bricked when it comes to any other area other than programming.

So, what'd you do in the inclusive?

@Radeyo Launchers are very useful in many ways. I have done plenty of launchers, but I haven't posted any cause I think people should start learning something. Even if you release the whole source, people still want a guide on how to open the source, how to modify it, how to build it and where the path to get the .exe is. It's not impossible to make a launcher. If you really wanna make a server, then learn something and don't just leech.

I don't say I'm a pro. I have done plenty of launchers from scratch starting with a crappy, cheap code and the next time i made a new one my coding was simplified, improved and more powerful. You need to break a sweat if you want things to go good for you.

I have helped so many people setup their servers, setup their Odin launcher release, fix their error messages, setup a regi page for em. All that because I'm too nice but I figured I was wrong. You should have them learn instead.

Give a man some bread, and he will eat a week. Teach the man how to farm, and he will eat for all his life.

PS: I don't get how you combined the DLL hooking with Launcher?

For those of you who aren't able to connect the dots. He was mentioning how easy it is to code a launcher, contrary to code caving, and people still aren't able to do that. Simply because this section lacks technical experience, or are unwilling to learn.

RCE is no simple task, but if were to have someone decent at it, as well as interested in Fiesta, we could have had amazing features. I mean, the PDB's are already there.

I believe that the whole fiesta private server scene is pretty much dead, reason i believe this is there is to many kids that don't wanna try to do something on there own. They would only want to add all of us who have been doing this for a while and really took the time to get to know the files and how to work on em so they can possibly leech off our hard work. I personally find this ridiculous and pointless. The other reason i think the fiesta scene is dead, we all forgot that we are all in this for the same goal " to make something beautiful". In the end everyone wants to treat everyone like shit, and DDoS each other because so and so is no.1 on top of games, or someone is pissed off cause you wont give them your files. So they DDoS. It's childish and retarded. I do think the private server community is suffering because of lack of creativity but you can only do so much with busted files they have there limit. You can do so much on a set of files that suck in the first place. I say this if your not in it for the common goal i believe you should just quit and not return. I believe if all your gonna do is leach and turn around and talk shit like your god you should just quit and leave. If all of us who are in this for the same goal would stop helping these leechers and assholes out, they would have no option in the end but to leave. There development would halt in some way shape or form, and then only then can we proceed to make good fully functioning private servers with a vast amount of creativity. so i blame the leechers and wanna be's for fucking everything up for everyone.

@Monav Oh, yea now it all make sense. Very correctly said.
About the PDB.. I use the mini dump file and debug it, show it to the PDB file. Then it says that it's missing 3 files so It won't continue debug.

\luascript\lua-5.1.4\src\lstring.c
\luascript.cpp
\zoneserver.cpp

@aqua512 And once the leechers left the scene, it would be as obvious, that the fiesta scene is dead, as a fly in your plate of milk.
What you have said it's true, but it is not only the creativity.

Say we all worked together for the ultimate server, the fully functional one that everybody would want to play on. There will be those 5 people that would differ in the whole project that get praised. There's always gonna be at least 1 guy who would also want to be praised, just like Lucifer wanted to become a God of his own, so he's gonna try get a hold of those files or work on new ones and he'd want to be on the top as well, wouldn't he? So he would try to DDoS that godly server and buy Votes on ToG.com and so on. The number of guys that also want to get praised will multiply into a huge number very soon. And sooo we end up in the war between servers again. Humans ego is unlimited so we can't really blame ONLY the creativity or leechers. Also there are people with connections that makes life for them easier, but I don't blame those.

The are many causes to things, too many facts to discuss.

i agree 100% alsma, but i'm not saying all in one giant server. I'm saying stop fighting among each other and show some respect to those who are putting in the honest effort. Stop treating each other as enemies and remember we all have the same goal. Work with each other to achieve this goal, even with separate servers and ideas for these servers.

Stop complaining about the community. If you care so much, do something about it? @ the launcher subject.. Some people know how to do other things better than others. You were Spoon-fed too, or seem to think google isn't another form of spoon feeding. Want to improve the community? Release guides, and the new files.. or at least help people fixing them. Everyone starts somewhere, if you actually bothered helping instead of saying "I'm not spoon feeding you" they may not need spoon feeding in the feature. Greedy fuckers. :rolleyes: (+1 to Stu though for previous releases and helping a retarded community)

@aqua512 Haha, I don't pick fights. Random people come pick fights with me. :P But I had actually forgotten with all this drama going that we're all supposed to be a team here. Help each other out, but some of us help to the extent of the other person just leeching! :P
But thanks for your good words because you have just reminded me how important it is to stick together as a team all of us!

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but some of us help to the extent of the other person just leeching! :P

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If people don't leech, they aren't going to get anywhere.. You leeched the files and learnt to dev through them, did you not? Alex you're rather annoying.

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If people don't leech, they aren't going to get anywhere.. You leeched the files and learnt to dev through them, did you not? Alex you're rather annoying.

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And you come on and post worthless crap. Atleast he is developing the files, he changes them. I don't even care about him, or most people in this section; It is just the fact - Leachers are always here, It is to a standard of which is unbelievable: If someone downloads server files, fine. Understandable but when they are just downloading things and claiming it as their own.

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And you come on and post worthless crap. Atleast he is developing the files, he changes them. I don't even care about him, or most people in this section; It is just the fact - Leachers are always here, It is to a standard of which is unbelievable: If someone downloads server files, fine. Understandable but when they are just downloading things and claiming it as their own.

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Oh, hello high and mighty victus staff member. Developing is childs play, how else would his self and most of the retards here know how? Lol. So you're saying they can download server files, and it isn't leeching and they can call it theirs, but if they download something else which doesn't belong to them (Like the server files) It's leeching. I see.

Please don't try to derail this thread, no point in discussing in a hostile tone. Keep it clean.

Sure, if you stop acting like you're better than everyone else. Anyways, a lot of people are speaking rubbish here and not actually saying what should be said.

Um, hello. I'm sorry for leeching.. I will give credit to Terra and Selesnia.
But, TBH. Selesnia leeches from Grand Fantasia.
-Don.
Also, sorry for being a immature child, @chris.
What do you think of my server, is it a fail? I think it is. :[

@Pell Pell, for your information I've wasted countless hours on those files trying to figure out different things. I did leach them from Ragezone, yes, but I never have claimed them mine because I respect those people who actually "took"(I can't express myself correctly here) those files from an official publisher and with risks released here on these forums. It's been up to 4 years since i first started working on the files and it's been exciting the whole way! I love developing and programming, so you can't tell me I leached what I had done with passion for so many years. My skills, knowledge and experience are all self-taught and of course some tutorials if it was really frustrating and I couldn't solve my problem. But I can't accept just following the tutorial, I will force myself to learn the whole process because I don't want to rely on others, I want to know what I'm doing.

The Launcher is also all self-taught and help from Google. Getting help from Google isn't called leaching. If you just copy the code and paste into your project then yes, but because of my pride i go through the whole code and learn it, understand it and then write it with my own style.

@Lunerica I love how you and Stu supported me when a random person just started calling me names, but then you just have to ruin it all with a single phrase.. xd

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I don't even care about him,

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And don't get me wrong, I don't even like that Alsm97 person.

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Ow well, I still appreciate the care tho! xd Thank you

A lot of what you said was invalid / a try to act cool. :)

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Sure, if you stop acting like you're better than everyone else. Anyways, a lot of people are speaking rubbish here and not actually saying what should be said.

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What makes you think so?

No opinion or contribution on the subject i'll delete.

@Pell: Want to get personal? Do it in PM. But thanks for the compliment, I see Victus still got a good rep! :thumbup:


Leecher are in every section, but I hardly see good dev's use it as a excuse to do what they like. Developing to most is a hobby.

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I see Victus still got a good rep! :thumbup:

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No idea where you got this from, but it really hasn't. Manno, it's just the personality.

Haha, I understand. You should talk to me during my bad days. :)

I think enough has been said. I request for this thread to be closed.

No, wait. Leave it open, just get rid of all the pointless posts and let no negatively-affecting posts remain here. For once there have been some serious and good conversations in here. Let's see what the end result could get to be.

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Um, hello. I'm sorry for leeching.. I will give credit to Terra and Selesnia.
But, TBH. Selesnia leeches from Grand Fantasia.
-Don.
Also, sorry for being a immature child, @chris.
What do you think of my server, is it a fail? I think it is. :[

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Don. Just go away no one cares for you. Your staff are corrupt as fuck and you are only in it for stealing peoples paypal details. Get the fuck out.

Anyway Alsm, When people go at people for reasons which are disgusting, it makes me feel physically sick... I will stick up for those who make valid points to the topic and those who don't can just burn in hell.

@Pell - No one even knows who you are, all you come here for is to cause drama.

What did I do?

Maybe I don't want people to know who I am, and I'm not here for drama. :)

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Maybe I don't want people to know who I am, and I'm not here for drama. :)

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Well obviously you are because you are creating it.

Vinzy, when you see this, could you please close this thread? :)

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Vinzy, when you see this, could you please close this thread? :)

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Vinzy? Anyway, can't subscribers close their own threads?

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Vinzy? Anyway, can't subscribers close their own threads?

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Vinzy = Zaruna and apparently they can but I haven't found out how :L

Oh, silly me.