So I've not really been active and you can really see that but as I'm seeing the Habbo section now as it really changed!
So the question is what is your opinion about the Habbo section now or what is your point of view on the Habbo section now.
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So I've not really been active and you can really see that but as I'm seeing the Habbo section now as it really changed!
So the question is what is your opinion about the Habbo section now or what is your point of view on the Habbo section now.
The main point is that this section dont move on, same threads are popping up over and over again. This section dies because non of the active users takes the time to actually learn what we, the guys who leaved, left behind for you.
I've seen this kind of threads 100 times now over the past 9 months and nothing has changed. You guys are complaining this section dies. Maybe you ask the wrong question, what about the question: "What can we do to bring it back"?
It's just a lack of initiative from this section..
Thats the thing, People are either scared of sulake, Or too lazy to get off their fat asses. And then you also have those stealers that just help plummet this section into the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joopie
Renaming killed the section. End of story.
In my opinion it's really because Sulake now manages to hunt emulator devlopers and on the other hand the packageid shuffling is just so annoying, that it doesn't make any fun coding Emulators anymore because with every version change you've got to start packetlogging over and over again...Quote:
Originally Posted by wy479
I would like to first off start with that the Habbo section haven't really died out and I've only seen the Customs section really run dry but that's going to get active of course and you don't really see me complaining about it because it gets active pretty fast again.
Anyway the second thing is that renaming indeed have been killing the scene even though it's something we need to get used to because then you would be wondering: What are you doing on the Habbo section because this is obviously the most common thing ( For me because I'm used to it ) and some people like it and some don't and I've not lliked it too but I'm used to it.
Sulake haven't really made the sections dry out to be honest there are developers and releasers who still release after having serveral complains from Sulake and that's pretty good to be honest and so I'm not really thinking that it's the Habbo section that is really working out because of Sulake but some hotels are.
It's pretty good that the good developers are gone: Like Roy & Josh & Various other they where the one who made the first and most used CMS for v26 retro's and sure it wasn't that secure and they've never really looked back at it but there where people who did and they've solved those problems by re-releasing or just by posting it.
Josh ( Rastalulz ) Quit his interest in Habbo Retro's and moved on to Minecraft and such various other things which is pretty good even though i don't really like Minecraft.
Roy ( Meth0d ) Don't know where he went but he sure quitted the Habbo life for his reason.
Too bad the good developers are good but there are new good developers coming which is good!
I've left, I've been here for a while also (see reg date). It did genuinely used to be much better, when Nillus, Meth0d and Ngangsta were around. There has not been a legitimate, open source development since UberEMU and that was a huge shambles and it took the community about 2 years to get it working with out crashing, but not exactly stable.
200? - (late 2010
People used to contribute awesome stuff. The average age of the community was >16. The mentality was to help and contribute as there were very popular developers doing so. There were many cool add-ons to holoCMS and later on, PHPRetro. Even though holoCMS and PHPRetro were badly coded, for the time it was amazing. People released custom furniture which was of great quality with proper SQL's and catalogue pages. There was a varying degree in the emulator side of things as well. People like cecer1 and Dissi did Holo SQL pooling and fixed up a lot of things. Most hotels ran V26 for about 2 years and there was genuine competition among them. By this I mean, retros competed on pure quality and people went to what was best. Unlike now where people compete by either; Cheating on retroslist, booting competing hotels offline and attempting to dox the owners. There was once a time when, you could run your hotel off a VPS, with your IP exposed, and you would, at worst get a script kiddie downloading a HTTP flooder and flooded your webserver. Unlike now where everyone has a booter pointed at one another and the community is full of drama and aids.
2011 - now
All the developers have left. Many fake developments pop up in the development section on a weekly basis. I have not seen any viable or actual emulators released since Uber Emulator (which is your phx or butter[storm/fly/fire/whatever]) re-names. That you could, essentially put live on a hotel and use properly. Attempts were made, and some did succeed (Quackster) but it vanished into the night due to Sulake or whatever. The odd CMS thread comes up, and there's a release. But the CMS is just as bad as the old ones and does nothing you. You can count on a daily release of some form of 'RevCMS' which is now 3 years old. Never anything innovative or special, normally some broken, poorly coded add-on or shitty paint-done theme. Same for furniture releases, the people who release them can't even get the SQL's right and always fail to release the proper banners, icons or pictures. The 'hotel' community is in an even more broken state. As previously said, cheating is rife. There is no genuine competition. Booting/DDoS attacks are also rife. Put up a hotel, and in no time you'll have someone making threats to DDoS you.
The community destroyed its self with in, but no one cares. And with Sulake watching (because yes, they are) the community is a dying thing.
Personally, I can't wait to see it die.
Section looks so boring now, lol.
It was so good a few years ago, but at the start of 2013 it fizzled.
oh well.
edit;;
I'd also like to add that within my time 2009 - late '12, there was soo much competition. Everyone wanted to do their own thing (cms/emu). Now it seems as if everyone wants to be the same, pretty much laziness. Where's the hungriness to be the best server or cms dev?
Cobe.
Good to see you around even though i don't really know you so that's first-off.
Yes actually the Habbo section now is pretty boring and having wishes is pretty stupid but i wish the Habbo section would be as it used to be and not how it is at this state.
I hope some day that some old-developers will come back and make the Habbo section the same again and bring it back to how it was and not how it is at this state.
They'll never come back. This section is cancer most of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naww
This Section Might As Well Be Closed TBH.
The War Is Over. Lol
Hejula.
Yes the Habbo section is indeed dry but at least we still have you and that's a benefit for sure.
I was always a big fan of your Habbo RevCMS and your the reason why so many RevCMS Habbo edits are existed and are existing and are made so better so that's so good!
Ultimate.
I don't know who you are but your starting to freak me out.
And I'm probably not the first one who's not understanding your post.
All the back in the day developers have grown up now & there aint no more coming through, give it till 2014, this section will get daily help threads, but apart from that nothing else.
Not sure where this section is going to go in 2014 because it's dead already but maybe in 2014 it will become large again i guess we'll never know!
I'm still happy that Hejula & Makarov & Many others are still here they at least post even though it's not much!
After Sulake caught up with me. I realised how stupid I was wasting my time with Habbo.
Yes the Habbo section is dieing. And it is highly likely it'll continue to die.
Why?? So many reasons
- Habbo is getting old, boring. And most players are now like twelvies..
- People are lazy and slack. They cant do minor things themselves and need help with everything they try and do.. All running same emulators/cms not much difference.
- Sulake is roaming around. With Sulake aiming at taking down owners/developers less developments are being done. Still alot of nooby hotels though..
- Booters. Kids are just buying booters and showing off with them nowadays.. booting eachother...
- Renames and fake developments. Think of all the renames we've had... butterfly > butterstorm > bcstorm > all the latest renames..
Only way the Habbo section & possibly the future of retros would lie on the hands on the current people in the section to work together.. and stop being so greedy..
First of all.
You may as well just stop your posting because this is a post where i ask peoples opinions and if i think of another opinion why i don't like the Habbo section then I'm always able to write them out and the post count does not matter.
Don't be a fool and just let me post whenever i want to and so does others in that case when they don't agree then they are always free to say why they don't agree and then you can understand or disagree.
Please don't get your arms twited about the most stupidest things.
I'm not greedy it's just that i found his podt weird and hard to understand so it's not being greedy you fool it's just that i didn't understand Ultimate's post.
Quackster.
You don't need Habbo your a Bukkit eXpert.
Im sorry actually I didnt relise you were the thread owner, my bad and im sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naww
Anyhow, my list isnt aimed at you. I've wrote it down because those are the reasons I believe the community is getting ripped in half. Its aimed at everyone in the retro community.
I'll have to agree on that and it's all fine eventually not going to make a fight here so let's just try to stay on-topic so we can keep this active and good so people can give their opinions as much as possible.
Anyway after the good people left people started to rip-off and what not so i can't say the section is better indeed.
On my side I got bored of this, I started wanting to learn more about this huge world and programming, but now I feel like there's nothing useful to learn anymore...
I've tried multiple times to make a CMS from scratch, with a lot of features. But I get 20 downloads per 2 months, so I've given up on it now because everyone will stuck to RevCMS no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthew
The reason Quacksters Emu didn't become popular was because Sulake stopped the original dev and nobody has the coding skills and/or motivation to continue it
I am using your CMS Azaidi anyway as said before the section is pretty dead now but back in the days when you made something like this then you would get loads of downloads also if the style was nice et cetera and it was different than any other CMS around the forum.
Anyway don't give up yet you may want to learn me some PHP because I'm sucking at it.
I can agree with Matthew.
It was a bunch of us around, and I jumped in around the time when HoloCMS was first starting with Sisija, Meth0d, etc.
To make a long story short, this section has became a leeching environment. No one has initiative to step up and proceed with a successful development (not a rename), and change this section around.
I'm from that time as well and as you and Matt said it's a damn shame that they are not coming back anymore and sometimes i wish we could just turn back time because that time compared to this time.
I'm still hoping that some at least bother to have a look in this section and show their faces for a little bit again!
I may as well step out of this section soon as well.
It's fucked up.
True Baas the whole section is Fucked up indeed i can only agree loads with you there!
Habbo was best about 5-6 years ago, this section was full of motivated, happy people and some very good server developers. Most of them just grew up and moved on with life, there are far more important things in life that must be done (education, work etc)
The RZ Habbo community today just doesn't have that special touch. Not many people even play Habbo anymore, there are plenty of better games to play. People now want to play games with realism/HD graphics. No one is motivated enough to keep this section going. I see a lot of re-releases and unstable servers being released, it's just pointless.
A lot of companies are like this, they have their "special years" where they attract a lot of users but then eventually it becomes less popular as people find better things. I can give many examples, such as Myspace (people moved on to Facebook) and so on.
^ I completely agree with this statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joopie
Spoiler:
I agree, however! When I joined, there where allot of fixes for servers and edits which made the original better. My point is, that it has the same amount of users online as today!
So tell me, who of those lurkers aren't even posting and let the section die?
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People who're lurkers:
Rene31c, HabboGee, Joe Richardson, Jones2301, Fenturr, Mike Sant, Ipod500, Rocco Napoli, MrSpooks, BabboST, MattyiNolt, SChrisS, Breyk07.... to many to sum.
OEPS, busted....
The section is slowly returning to popular again even though these may be people you don't even know not that you all know me but it's just pretty nice that at least people bother to get over here and have a look again or come here because they are new or what not.
Anyway would be nice if the older people come back again and it doesn't need to be an popular developer or popular project leader but at least some people from the old time would be nice though.
Anyway you've said before: People are getting too-old and that's bad but it's true so I'm not going to further go on about wanting the old people back because it's clear that they wont but it was just: IF they would come back then the section would be nice!
The lack of older people(not oldskool, but just older people 16.. 17.. 18.. 19) is really something which bothers me. Nowadays on retro forums, either ragezone or some foreign ripoff, it's 12-years-old who just got their first touch of hormones and hitting puberty here and there, who are 'active' posters. They do bring the habbo section to a low level and they do should fuck off with their shit tutorials on how to make a hamachi R63 retro and their custom egg releases without shading or with shitty drawn faces on it and of course their help threads on where can I find SWFs!??!?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Naww
I am definitely not an oldskooler, but I really get what you guys mean if you talk about "back in the days". Everything was just fine untill it has become possible for even a 9-years-old to run a retro.
Speaking of that, it would probably make quite much sense NOT to provide anything precompiled if someone would start coding again, so that those who want to use the code must at least know how to compile something... (As far as I can remember Holograph Emu often came without compiled exe files?)Quote:
Originally Posted by BaasHotel
You are still here, so I guess you are pretty stupid then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quackster
I completely agree with this statement made. About 5-6 years ago, you, Nillus, and plentiful of others were around posting helpful threads that would help motivate some of the laziest people learn how to program, understand packet structure, etc. Now in these "modern times" everyone expects things to come to them freely without even laying a finger on the keyboard to layout some snippets to create their own little virtual world. Now you see "revisions of EDITS" and it's ridiculous. I'm not going to say I was the best developer known, but I wanted to help motivate those who were still here with me like Moogly, Joopie, and others that were still hanging on by the end of the rope. I honestly think it's a bit too late in time to even manage a resurrection to this section because it's gotten to deep into extinction.Quote:
Originally Posted by PixelPro123
Just going to think back at the days that the Habbo section was pretty cool and when releasing wasn't much of a challenge on who can release things the best which is now a common-thing to be honest!
Anyway the Habbo section is dead and people are really wishing that the old people come back but that's never going to happen because they have moved on and they are in their eyes too old for this and I'm not disagreeing with them but it's pretty sad to hear.
Can you children please contain yourselves? It's quite sadden you can't have a discussion without either one going off for some reason. Take it down a notch.
We're no more a community. In the past we heled eachother and told others the new stuff you figured out. Now most people turned selfish and dont know about sharing is caring.
I've asked multiple people about getting packet structures from the sw and all of them told me 'Go figure it out yourself'.
I see people saying this sectionwon't die as there will come plenty of releasesbut I can tell you that if we do not stop being selfish cunts that this section becomes inactive.
My thoughts exactly on 99% of the Habbo community. Things used to be great 2011 and earlier. No one booted anyone, people could run a hotel with exploits through the whole CMS and never be hacked because no one was dick enough to do it even though there were probably plenty who could. Retros were fun, not money making machines so owners were nicer and things were way more community driven. People shared without thought of monetary gain and without the thought to add an exploit to gain users or an e-dick out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by vLife
It'll never be like that again, it's only going to get worse with time.. I'm glad the best have left & everyone else is struggling. Move on to better things.
This is quite true. If I opened up a private Habbo server right now, regardless of making profit or not, theres a huge chance it will get hacked within the first week. People always want to bring each other down and fight to be the best. It isn't working out very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonteh
Back in the days people did not want to hack each other (just a few exceptions) most people created scripts/hacks for the real Habbo. I don't know why people started turning on each other now... lol
This quite ironic isnt it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonteh
Damn RaGEZONE, why can't I like this a 1000 times...Quote:
Originally Posted by HillBilly
Offtopic:Quote:
Originally Posted by Joopie
Hey come on man Iv'e been posting as much as i can, And i use to make make a fue customs in the past + released the current habbo index, I mean I'm not going to sit here and say yeah I'm some pro coder or anything and no I cant code an emu, But if i can help some one out i will do.. I'm not a lurker >:
Ontopic:
To many renames and alot of devs being uploaded with back doors/shells,
after that The good developers just stoped as the ones that do add the back doors are just giving the good developers a bad name,
and now there are to many kids attempting to set up retros...
And not to mention people grow up and get bored of developing in the habbo section and move on to better things..
But yeah i guess every one is open to there own opinion!
Thanks Jim.
Not to start an e-War or any type of commotion, but you were one of the ones that would release products there were infected am I right or am I right? That rCMS release to be exact. Jonteh, you was one of the main ones who would attack hotels just to gain that e-Fame for your hotel to become the greatest since "EliteRoyale". So if you are the one that's ironically speaking about how hotels were, you're contradicting yourself. The only reason you don't have Zap Hotel anymore is because you've gained all of the funds that you could possibly have gained and you've decided to retire on a good note.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonteh
I totally agree with this comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quackster