The Ukraine Crisis

Very surprised there isn't a thread discussing this. Unless you live under a rock you should probably know by now that Ukraine ain't doing too well the now. Crimea is currently under de facto Russian control, with the Crimean Govt. voting to join Russia. Riots in the streets, troops and heavy armour everywhere in Crimea, tensions are very high out in the former Soviet bloc. An awful lot of rhetoric coming from both Russia and NATO. Ruskies testing ICBMs (after alerting the US of course), both Ukraine and Russia have troops on standby, and it's still quite delicate with the possibility of a war breaking out. All it takes is one pissed off Ukrainian to kill a Russian-speaking citizen of Crimea for it all to tip over!

What's everyone's thoughts on the latest European crisis?

Shit's about to hit the fan. Unless the top dogs come to a reasonable and peaceful solution, which is about as likely as finding Maddie McCann.

The whole idea of "protecting own people" is a load of bull, a half-arsed explanation. If they are your citizens, arrange evacuation, if they are not - it's none of your business.

And what a nice date, a century since WWI started.

This is looking increasingly like the Soviet Union, despite how stupid Russia is they wouldn't risk going back to those times, if it wasn't for their Nuclear deterrent I think they would have been the little kid that has been beaten up by the gang of big kids. (Big Kids being NATO)

The way I see it, it's pointless anyways.
Russia is within the rights of its treaty, the gov't there is in a state of disarray anyways. If they want to become part of russia again, why does it matter?

I find it all so tense. One thing i read is Sarah Palin saying that Obama should nuke Russia. What a dumb sexy milk.

I think there will be a world war in my lifetime. u.u

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Originally Posted by MentaL

I find it all so tense. One thing i read is Sarah Palin saying that Obama should nuke Russia. What a dumb sexy milk.

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He should, but he should make an error and send the nuke a little more to the east. ;)


As for why there wasn't a topic yet, I think it's because most people don't really know what to think, people like to comment on (seemingly) clear cases, voicing your opinion is a lot harder when you're not sure what should happen.

And yes, I'm one of those people, to me this came out of 'nowhere', I didn't know what was going on and things are way too difficult to know what is right. Give me the good ol' terrorists killing innocents, at least I know who to root for.

Speaking to my friend living out there he says pretty much the government are majorly corrupt but the ones who will replace aren't great, either. :(

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Originally Posted by Not4You

I think there will be a world war in my lifetime. u.u

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Same thoughts here :huh:

i gues i do live under a rock, because i had no idea, but if you ask me every country has some sort of crisis

Whatever happens Obama shouldn't be stupid enough to interfere because AFAIK Russia is looking for the simplest thing to start beef with USA.

Incoming Cold War #2 .

The thing is the world economy cannot handle another cold war, We'd be in a Recession 2x worse than the 2008 crash.

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Originally Posted by Bloodraven

The thing is the world economy cannot handle another cold war, We'd be in a Recession 2x worse than the 2008 crash.

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“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”

i love this quote.

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Originally Posted by MentaL

“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”

i love this quote.

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Yep, one of his best :P

2x worse than the 2008 recession was probably a guess, uneducated at that but imo it won't be able to handle another major war. I don't think the Kremlin would even favor for a cold war, their economy is in the shits too. Europe is recovering (slowly) America is doing its thing... Russia seems to remain broken from the Soviet Union collapse.

America profits greatly from war, there's a reason that in every administration since probably Roosevelt in the 40s has invaded or been involved in a war with some country

It's ok to talk about it for 5-15 minutes, but more? no ty, shit happens when people "fight".

WW3? np. let me prepare my guns-> $BF4 and drive for the last time my ferrari-> $NFS.

ps. Russia is too op not only millitary, they should all stfu and take care of *** at home,
but what we can do... politics f*** yeah.

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Originally Posted by Bloodraven

Yep, one of his best :P

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His being?

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/World_War_III

Basically there is no proof that the quote is actually Einstein, he did say something similar, but other people have been quoted before him with similar expressions.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/pO6q_mFjEUg/0.jpg

Joke aside,
I think if the majority of Crimea wants to Join the USSR,the world should clam the fuck down and acknowledge 'democracy'.
but personally,I would rather join Russia than to stay in a country with unstable economy.

So, they've been voting and it looks like they might go with Russia. At least no war started because of it.

That's the reason why Russia did this. If they had expected a war over it, they would have thought twice about it, but everyone knows that no one is going to war with Russia over a part of land who wants to (re)-join Russia.

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Originally Posted by DrBenSSJ

That's the reason why Russia did this. If they had expected a war over it, they would have thought twice about it, but everyone knows that no one is going to war with Russia over a part of land who wants to (re)-join Russia.

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That's true. We talk about what's going on everyday in my WW2 class. Kinda interesting what happened with them and how it led up to today.

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Originally Posted by SirEpicWin

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/pO6q_mFjEUg/0.jpg

Joke aside,
I think if the majority of Crimea wants to Join the USSR,the world should clam the fuck down and acknowledge 'democracy'.
but personally,I would rather join Russia than to stay in a country with unstable economy.

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The USSR was dissolved in 1991.

On topic:I still don't agree with how this went down. Russia invaded a sovereign land and as a super power that is unacceptable. Ukraine as a country has been placing hope in being an independent nation long enough, the European Union and Russia just need to just calm their shit and allow them to find autonomy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRBSrM9Ik60

Russia isn't a superpower by any means, not anymore. It's economy fell to shit when the USSR collapsed, the majority of its equipment is soviet-era.

It has more nuclear weapons than anyone but the moment a Nuke is launched the world ends (If a nuke is launched on Europe both France and the UK would nuke them back, nuclear exchanges... the USA probably would retaliate with the good old' nuke too)

Military-wise Russia would fall to NATO. Nuclear wise everyone would fall to each other.

Just my opinion, no war will break out over Crimea.

Let's talk about what might of happened to the plane. I think it either went in the ocean or some country shut it down and is keeping it a hush hush.

Or we can keep this thread for the Ukraine issue and have another thread for MH370?

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Originally Posted by Bloodraven

Russia isn't a superpower by any means, not anymore. It's economy fell to shit when the USSR collapsed, the majority of its equipment is soviet-era.

It has more nuclear weapons than anyone but the moment a Nuke is launched the world ends (If a nuke is launched on Europe both France and the UK would nuke them back, nuclear exchanges... the USA probably would retaliate with the good old' nuke too)

Military-wise Russia would fall to NATO. Nuclear wise everyone would fall to each other.

Just my opinion, no war will break out over Crimea.

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You think countrys like Germany, France, England will fight against Russia?

Excuse my english, but i think Russia is in alliance with China/Korea/Iran? or im wrong?

Germany for example 40 % economy (gas etc) w/o russia will be crap.

If you read 4chan you can have a huge portion of laught, what they talk abt, ww3 ww4 and china takes all etc.

Ukraina Krym? (or whatever spelling it is) half or less of people is russians? maybe thats why he sent military there?

Maybe it's just a simple conflict and nothing will happen? i guess so.

but thats my opinion, for me gov of country's like Poland should stfu.

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Originally Posted by 4FUNer

You think countrys like Germany, France, England will fight against Russia?

Excuse my english, but i think Russia is in alliance with China/Korea/Iran? or im wrong?

Germany for example 40 % economy (gas etc) w/o russia will be crap.

If you read 4chan you can have a huge portion of laught, what they talk abt, ww3 ww4 and china takes all etc.

Ukraina Krym? (or whatever spelling it is) half or less of people is russians? maybe thats why he sent military there?

Maybe it's just a simple conflict and nothing will happen? i guess so.

but thats my opinion, for me gov of country's like Poland should stfu.

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Well if you want to get technical:
Russia is only allied with Belarus. Russia has historically invaded almost all of it's neighbors, in the end lowering the amount of sentiment in many of the regions nearby.
North Korea is allies with no one, but having a strong anti-western bias usually has the support of China, Russia, and the Middle East, who usually supports them in UN votes.
Iran is allied with Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, and Venezuela, mostly due to (again) an anti-western bias.
China is questionably allied with Pakistan.

The lines are extremely blurry when you talk about Asian and Middle Eastern allies. China and Russia often have disputes over land areas, but seeing that South Korea and Japan are strongly supported by the US (and thus the rest of Europe), the disputes (of Japan and S Korea) become much more confrontational. Then you have to look at it from an economic standpoint. China would go bankrupt if the US defaulted on its debts; Russia still has not recovered from its fall in 90s; Iran is constantly in economic struggle due to war within the region.

Then you have India, one of the worlds strongest allies currently and will only gain power in the future, which supports the US, Russia, France, UK, China, Pakistan, Japan, Germany, France, and Israel,



In short, the world does not have definite lines such as in the World Wars; No one (except maybe N Korea) wants to have a large scale war. Russia is still recovering from the diffuse of the USSR and China would lose literally trillions of dollars in the event of a standoff with any NATO country. That is why Crimea is such a different situation, seeing that you literally have the Ukraine which was quite close to joining the European Union being (arguably) invaded by Russia. Usually the super powers of the world simply back Middle Eastern conflicts (by either financial aid or weapons), but this time there are no puppets in the way.



My guess: Nothing will happen, but it definitely raises the tension within the area. By NATO doing nothing (cmon, sanctions are basically nothing) in the Ukraine, it lowers the power of it as a whole. This whole Crimea seems more of like a test on Russia's part than anything else, seeing how the west would react, and it worked.

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Originally Posted by 4FUNer

You think countrys like Germany, France, England will fight against Russia?

Excuse my english, but i think Russia is in alliance with China/Korea/Iran? or im wrong?

Germany for example 40 % economy (gas etc) w/o russia will be crap.

If you read 4chan you can have a huge portion of laught, what they talk abt, ww3 ww4 and china takes all etc.

Ukraina Krym? (or whatever spelling it is) half or less of people is russians? maybe thats why he sent military there?

Maybe it's just a simple conflict and nothing will happen? i guess so.

but thats my opinion, for me gov of country's like Poland should stfu.

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Countries like Germany, France and the United Kingdom are in NATO. (28 states)

Providing the USA goes to war with Russia then those other 27 most likely will to. And to be honest Europe can make a decision like to declare war on Russia on its own, even though it won't.

And in my personal opinion no country on this planet would stand up against NATO and win. China + Russia, Middle East would stand a chance but there out-powered, superior technology...

In the future China would certainly be capable of holding its own, In a few years its going to have a larger economy than the United States, how long until the new shiny military has to be ordered.

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Originally Posted by Bloodraven

Russia isn't a superpower by any means, not anymore. It's economy fell to shit when the USSR collapsed, the majority of its equipment is soviet-era.

It has more nuclear weapons than anyone but the moment a Nuke is launched the world ends (If a nuke is launched on Europe both France and the UK would nuke them back, nuclear exchanges... the USA probably would retaliate with the good old' nuke too)

Military-wise Russia would fall to NATO. Nuclear wise everyone would fall to each other.

Just my opinion, no war will break out over Crimea.

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"The total global nuclear arsenal is about 30,000 nuclear warheads with a destructive capacity of 7,000 megatons or 7 gigatons (7,000 million tons) of TNT."
The amount of energy given in the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami was more than 200,000 times the surface energy and was calculated by the USGS at 3.9×1022 joules,[15] slightly less than the 2004 Indian Ocean quake. This is equivalent to 9,320 gigatons of TNT, or approximately 600 million times the energy of the Hiroshima bomb.

But the fallout will probably do the trick.(BUT, a fallout from a nuclear weapon is far lower than a nuclear reactor)

The fallout is the most destructive aspect of a Nuke, the initial blast effects people within the local perimeter (melts them may be the word).

Everyone I've talked to about this thinks there will be a war. There won't be, If any other country such as Iraq did this then there would be another war.

Nuclear bombs won't be dropped because tomorrow never dies for Vladimir.

Is there anyone from ukraine here?

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Originally Posted by yoelnico

Is there anyone from ukraine here?

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some, mainly leacher.

Nukes over Crimea shouldn't even be mentioned. Nuclear and Chemical Weapons are pretty much a no no for every country on this planet excluding N. Korea. Even if someone launched one the chances are it would be shot down by AMDS, and after that the majority of the planet would declare war. Providing the nuke didn't effect the "potential victim" I doubt any Nuclear Retaliation would occur, they'd rather just attack the offensive nation with the rest of the world. Lots of profit to be made.