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Sardaukar

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My new flavor of purchases deals with my CPU, a different DVD Optical drive, some new SATA cables, and a new CPU cooler!



CHIP:
AMD 64 4000+ (San Diego) at 2.4GHz - Socket 939
Newegg.com - AMD Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego 2.4GHz 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939 Processor - OEM
Reasons: My old chip is already 2 years old and counting.. figured I would spend $68 bucks on an OEM base chip to get me a teeny oomph of performance without bothering to overclock.. until of course.. I get this -->

COOLER:
Dominator 140mm CPU Cooler
Newegg.com - AeroCool Dominator 140mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail
Reasons: Again, along with my Processor.. this is over 2 years old, and replacements are a good thing if you can afford it.. plus it keeps your components running better! This big 140mm air cooled cooler utilizes the very best of heatpipe technology.. instead of using a water vapor to transmit the heat to the upper fins, it uses a 'powder' of sorts.. the details are fuzzy in my head right now, I will update ya on the page after I find it again. This style of cooling pushes a massive amount of air across the Northbridge, RAM, and of course, the entire motherboard in general. Its big, its one step below water cooling, and its Mine! ;)

Optical Drive:
SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner With LightScribe Technology (Friggin long name!)
Newegg.com - SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner With LightScribe Technology - OEM
Reasons:
SATA. Plain and simple, cant beat the price and performance, and to go along with having 1 extra SATA slot, this will rid my computer of that nasty thick cabled 40 wire IDE plugged into my motherboard (Im using a round cable version of it.. its about half an inch thick). Not to mention the specs on this is amazing.. back when I built my computer, I spent $110 on my current DVD/RW drive..! Reviews cant go bad as well, I will probably add my own to the 5's once I get it plugged in and running.

New Cables:
OKGEAR 24" SATA II cable with metal latch,Silver Model -> Straight to Right Angle
Newegg.com - OKGEAR 24" SATA II cable with metal latch,Silver Model GC24ATASM22 - Retail
Reasons:
Straight to right angle, and 24".. those are the primary reasons any computer modder with wire hiding skills needs. Most brand name computer cases with full tower (Especially my own) Require you to have a Right angle SATA plugged into the bay, with enough room to route the cables in the 1/2" space behind the motherboard/back panel in my own case.. I have the stock cables form my motherboard, but they are only 18" and are ratehr a tight fit, and I cant put the back of my case on until I get a right angle connector. Plus these are SATA II cables, they support the latest SATA technology at 3GBPS (300MBps) Transfer rate, which my 320 gig and 2x 500gb's are all SATA II.



They are all in the mail, will be here on the 26th, the optical drive and cables on the 27th :-)


There you go, I also purchased a new motherboard for my other computer, and an extra 4000+ Processor to plug into it.. I already have 2 gigs of ram to throw into it form my previous computer, with my old 6800 GT for the GPU.. nothing beats recycling odl tech computers to play later tech games :-) Oh, and I'm also giving my current 3700+ to my younger brother, who is running an old 2700+ from some Dell computer he bought, I will help him flash his bios to get it all working properly.



EDIT:
Was asked why I bother posting this up.. and its for the simple reason that I am good at find great prices, and we have ALOT of technical questions concerning what products to buy at what price.. well, you can be assured that anything I am posting up that I purchase, several dozen people will take a look at and probably buy as well.. this eliminates questions about whats new/needed, and also helps bring about a place you can ask questions about any type of hardware needs. We have a lot of friendly people on board in the Tech area, and we can all answer anything you feel like throwing at us ;) Besides, System compatibility and Computers are several of our specialties.. we are here to give you insight, and help in any way possible :-)
 
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good luck with ur new buy...

btw i am also getting the same optical drive :P soon... post me if it is good and worth buying...
 
Re: Yep.. I'm doing it again! ;)

Will do :-)


I am also debating a new urchase on top of it.. I have an idea to go ahead and purchase a SATA II dual controller for my PCI slot, so I can purchase 2 of these, and plug them in through the controller instead of the motherboard.. all depends I suppose,


i will make sure and let you know about the Sata Optical though, I've always been wanitn gto upgrade and figured it was there, might as well add to cart and buy it =)
 
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Actually, its mostly for dual cable SATA's, look into server storage and you'll see what I mean..

it says 3GBps, but its actually 150MBps/300MBps for the rates.. why they label it at 3G, I dont know.. but in actuallity, yets, its twice as fast at data transfer.. but that means more then meets the eye...



It allows you to copy onto and move from teh same source faster then a standard IDE/Sata would.. in terms of storage, this is very handy indeed when pulling off large amounts of data from numerous storage drives.



If you benchmark harddrives between SATA I and SATA II, you will see the difference ;) It can knock several MS off the access time, when msot drives are 12-16 MS, thats a big increase ;)
 
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Why on earth would the cabling have ANYTHING to do with how fast the head moves between tracks on the disk? That's completely stupid. Also having 2x Raptors in Raid 0 brings you up to about 120mb/s so even then you aren't breaking the SATA I limit (And it's spread over 2 cables anyway). False information = bad
 
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Like I said..

Look at the benchmarks, as little as you may be thinking, there is an improvement, Data flows faster through, No, you dont get 150/300 sustained rates.. of course not, teh drives ownt suppor tthat! But you do get improved rate through better cabling!

Thats like saying theres no difference between cheap audio cable, or expensive audio cable.. its the same signal being sent through it... right? Yes and no, yhigher quality cables give better quality information and/or in this case, faster data speeds.


A standard user on a home computer wouldnt need to worry anythign about it.. but when yoru dealing with mainframes and large infrastructures.. yes, its more then important.



Since I wont want to impress you with my own technical experience dealing with mainframes.. heres a few links to read:

SATA II Features Make a Mark at IDF
Eureka!: How much better is SATA-II really?



And by the way, it only costs a few bucks per cable.. the question is, why -not- go SATA II if you can use it? ;)
 
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Check the links I edited in, was searching my bookmarks for them... and as ironic as it sounds, the pictures wont load up, so you'll have to read it.



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For the info, I cant find where my quality charts are that I had dug up a few months back explainign the differences over the years that have gone into how they now create their cables... there is a small improvemenet, not much noticeable, but every bit helps.
 
Well, as I said before, they had images when I last checked them.. sadly they arent available anymore.. soo, too bad.


And to be honest, Im not going to optimize the data shown in that webpage for you.. because I don't feel its necessary, because it has everything thats needed. if you wont take the time to read it, then I feel my time was horribly wasted, even if it was only a few minutes, to show you how you were wrong.



EDIT: Just finished up my movie, and felt like actually giving you an example of what my situation is compared to your statement.. Feel lucky, I don't do this very often for people.

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My brand new hard drive is the red, compared to a WD Raptor 74GB


I'm not even runnign a RAID right now, and my burst is 200+

Now, look at that graph again.. do you see the 150 line for SATA I? Now, if I was running a standard SATA I Cable I woudl have a bottleneck, and a rather LARGE bottleneck by any amount, a +-50 MBPS bottleneck to be exact.



So, where was I wrong again in any of this?
 

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Just put up a new image you might be interested in NoPeace :-) 2 posts up, edited in as always :-)



People wonder why my post count is so low.. its because if I have something to say, I'll edit what I've already got.. if I counted in all my edits, I would be sitting upwards of 4000+ posts very easily *sigh* oh well ;) Not much of a sucker for numbers, lol


Upgrading 3 computers to an AMD 3700+, AMD 4000+, and a computer with a new motherboard and anotehr 4000+ for less then $200 oh, and a recycled 6800gt and 2 gigs of ram... all under 200, not too shabby if you ask me :-)
 
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Just put up a new image you might be interested in NoPeace :-) 2 posts up, edited in as always :-)
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Yeah I know of the result of SATA vs SATAII. I've argued the whole SATAII drives are better then SATA Raptors for ages but most people are to ignorant to look at the raw data. =P

Sardaukar said:
People wonder why my post count is so low.. its because if I have something to say, I'll edit what I've already got.. if I counted in all my edits, I would be sitting upwards of 4000+ posts very easily *sigh* oh well ;) Not much of a sucker for numbers, lol
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You really should stop that. Most people don't bother to read it twice and not notice your edit. Especially when you edit it after another post was made. =P

Sardaukar said:
Upgrading 3 computers to an AMD 3700+, AMD 4000+, and a computer with a new motherboard and anotehr 4000+ for less then $200 oh, and a recycled 6800gt and 2 gigs of ram... all under 200, not too shabby if you ask me :-)
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Now when you are ever going to go dual core? :sofa:

Especially with the prices that they are now. O.O

Also you should stop arguing with mazo. He won't listen. You can show him all the proof in the world and he still wont listen. =P

NoPeace - out
 
Oh, I know :-) I'll learn to not edit and become a number cruncher for my posts ;)

This upcoming summer I am definatly going dual core
the only reason I decided to do what I did.. was because for 68 bucks on my chip, im upgrading my own from a 3700 to a 4000, and my brothers slower 2800 to a 3700. All around it was a decent upgrade, not too shabby for the money.. ive got more then enough saved up for a brand new system.. but I will try carrying over what I can, hence why I'm buying things that will work well in a nice dual core.. or quad core system :-)
 
mazo said:
Who said I won't listen? :P Yeah alright, you proved that SATA II can make a difference when its transferring bursts, but sustained it doesn't help that much unless RAID 0'ing
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Bursts are for standard file copying.. A.K.A. Copying one file from my D drive, to the E Drive. Thats what any average joe does with his computer.. . loading up a game to play helps a slight bit if it does alot of precaching, but for MMORPG's, and other online games like that.. Burst rate is what your looking for.


You should see my data rates when I have my file server set up and streaming constant data back and forth.. I bet you my setup probably hits a good 500mbps easily. Much more then that if I'm doing multiple platform setups, or managing installs from a central database to thirty or forty 'dummy' computers, thats when the throughput of a SATA II is amazing. Even without all that glitz and glamour, it still tops out what any SATA I can do :-)
 
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Oh, I know :-) I'll learn to not edit and become a number cruncher for my posts ;)

This upcoming summer I am definatly going dual core
the only reason I decided to do what I did.. was because for 68 bucks on my chip, im upgrading my own from a 3700 to a 4000, and my brothers slower 2800 to a 3700. All around it was a decent upgrade, not too shabby for the money.. ive got more then enough saved up for a brand new system.. but I will try carrying over what I can, hence why I'm buying things that will work well in a nice dual core.. or quad core system :-)
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How much difference will a 4000+ do with your setup anyways. How much cache does your 3700+ have? 1m? If so then running it at 2.64 will be no different then running a 4000+ at 2.64. =P

Then again the 4000+ should get higher then that. I managed to get 2.7-2.8ghz stable on a 130nm ClawHammer. The 90nm should do 2.8ghz easy.

So yeah... You'll get a couple hundred mhz increase I guess.

Yeah try to use as much as possible. Shame really on the RAM part. You got 4gb of sick RAM. Shame that the new AMDs and Intels just use DDR2 and soon to be DDR3.

mazo said:
Who said I won't listen? :P Yeah alright, you proved that SATA II can make a difference when its transfering bursts, but sustained it doesn't help that much unless RAID 0'ing
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No **** RAID 0 will make better performance. But on single drivers SATAII does make a difference.

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You should see my data rates when I have my file server set up and streaming constant data back and forth.. I bet you my setup probably hits a good 500mbps easily. Much more then that if I'm doing multiple platform setups, or managing installs from a central database to thirty or forty 'dummy' computers, thats when the throughput of a SATA II is amazing. Even without all that glitz and glamour, it still tops out what any SATA I can do :-)
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Think SATAII is good for that. Then you should try SCSI what is made for that. =P

But yeah. No matter how you look at it. SATAII will give some serious performance boost over SATA.

Mazo, just get yourself an SATAII drive and run it both in SATA and SATAII modes. You'll see a major difference in real world applications.

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