CloudFlare for Habbo Retros - Even more useless? Private
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Why would anyone buy Cloudflare business anyway? Surely if your site got hit by a reasonable attack, CF would get in touch with you and on realising you were running some illegal copy of someone elses website/technology drop you and your service instantly?
$200 down the shitter.
Also:To view the content, you need to sign in or registeris the direct link to Googles "Cloudflare" service...
If you haven't noticed Cloudflare ain't give no fucks if you're running illegal. They hosted LulzSec site which was releasing heaps of hacked data. They aren't in the wrong so they don't care. They just want money.
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Reverse Proxy + APC, memcache, Varnish or w.e cache you want = great setup.
Majority of the people attacking know nothing about it either. They just downloaded every booter they can find on HF and decided to be a "h4x3r" for the day. I'm not saying that everyone who boots hotels is like this, nor am I making any assumptions about HF or it's users, but I'm just saying that most people don't know a thing about attacks or booting.
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Yes that's another reality, they're noobs but the thing is that they're attacking poor people who doesn't know how to defend and they think that they're hacking them or something like that... But yes that's true, there are a lot of people who makes DoS attacks using noobish programs like Loic or Hoic..
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Just the other night my hotel was taken down by one of the staff at "Paradise hotel",
For no apparent reason.. its just really sad I mean I could have returned the attack but at the end of the day,
wtf is the point In all fairness, I miss how it us to be! Like back in the day of V13 - V26 attacks were preity much unheard of,
you did have to worry about crap like cloud flare n proxy's, but now I my self opend my hotel just over 2 years ago,
I opend it as a bit of fun for people and for some fool to come along and just think oh il have a little fun n take it down,
is just sad! like you spend a whole heap of money on it for some ass to take you down, Its all gone tits up!
there needs to be more cheep proxy providers n every one should just do away with cloud flare all together,
as Its now become useless unless you can afford the bug bucks!
For no apparent reason.. its just really sad I mean I could have returned the attack but at the end of the day,
wtf is the point In all fairness, I miss how it us to be! Like back in the day of V13 - V26 attacks were preity much unheard of,
you did have to worry about crap like cloud flare n proxy's, but now I my self opend my hotel just over 2 years ago,
I opend it as a bit of fun for people and for some fool to come along and just think oh il have a little fun n take it down,
is just sad! like you spend a whole heap of money on it for some ass to take you down, Its all gone tits up!
there needs to be more cheep proxy providers n every one should just do away with cloud flare all together,
as Its now become useless unless you can afford the bug bucks!
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Honestly that $200 investment on Cloudflare for up-time will be worth it.
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Most emulators offer DoS protection but yeh if it's a DDoS.. that will be annoying.
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Lol. Thats why most retros use another server + DDoS protection on the emulator... So??????
Most retros don't have as much income as habplus, ergo 1 server and free cloudflare. What the fuck did you think i was saying????
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1 server and cloudflare and $10 DDoS protection for the emulator then.....????
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Kinda sad story of cloudflare. Do they earn too little money?
Never heard google is something like the new cloudflare, I'll try it immediately.
-- 2 hours wait time.
Never heard google is something like the new cloudflare, I'll try it immediately.
-- 2 hours wait time.
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I think it was a step in the right direction for Cloudflare themselves.
Honestly, you shouldn't blame CloudFlare. Their services weren't developed for Habbo Retro Hotels and they weren't made for people who can't afford them. They were made for legitimate companies and businesses that need a secure website to sell their products or services on.
The real blame are the little douchebags who own shitty hotels and think that somehow, by some Heavenly forces, if they DDoS a hotel that they don't know one single person on, all the users from that hotel will just go flooding to their own hotel. When in all reality, they either go to another hotel temporarily or just wait until the site is back online. The hotel may lose a few users here and there, but unless you're really doing something to direct them to your own hotel. It doesn't benefit anyone much. Get your own users, develop your own user-base. That's how it works, that's how you get a good hotel. Ask anyone who has what you'd call a "Big" or a "Great" hotel. If you're so boring and un-interesting that you can't get a user to stay, then just shut down your hotel because it is going nowhere.
Another issue is the distinction found in hotels. What's that you ask? What distinction? That's exactly what I mean. Most hotels aren't unique, and they all do the same thing and provide the same services. ROTW, Events, Staff Applications, and here's my favorite "We have Custom Furniture!". So does every other hotel. I think we need to get back to Habbo's roots ourselves, in a sense. When people socialized instead of trying to get a fucking Staff Position in any way possible. We need to provide Habbo's good old-fashioned fun service completely for free which was the original reason people used to come to Habbo retros. This doesn't mean we can't modernize and add cool stuff once in a while, but things were so much more interesting back then.
Stay Unique, and you'll have more users then the Town's Very Own Shared "Bicycle".
The real blame are the little douchebags who own shitty hotels and think that somehow, by some Heavenly forces, if they DDoS a hotel that they don't know one single person on, all the users from that hotel will just go flooding to their own hotel. When in all reality, they either go to another hotel temporarily or just wait until the site is back online. The hotel may lose a few users here and there, but unless you're really doing something to direct them to your own hotel. It doesn't benefit anyone much. Get your own users, develop your own user-base. That's how it works, that's how you get a good hotel. Ask anyone who has what you'd call a "Big" or a "Great" hotel. If you're so boring and un-interesting that you can't get a user to stay, then just shut down your hotel because it is going nowhere.
Another issue is the distinction found in hotels. What's that you ask? What distinction? That's exactly what I mean. Most hotels aren't unique, and they all do the same thing and provide the same services. ROTW, Events, Staff Applications, and here's my favorite "We have Custom Furniture!". So does every other hotel. I think we need to get back to Habbo's roots ourselves, in a sense. When people socialized instead of trying to get a fucking Staff Position in any way possible. We need to provide Habbo's good old-fashioned fun service completely for free which was the original reason people used to come to Habbo retros. This doesn't mean we can't modernize and add cool stuff once in a while, but things were so much more interesting back then.
Stay Unique, and you'll have more users then the Town's Very Own Shared "Bicycle".
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^ I agree with above.
Most people don't realize that lots of users play lots of hotels not just one. When one goes down they switch to there other back up hotels that they play. Sure DDoS all those hotels and they are forced to play yours but most wont.
Lots of my users when I get DDoS'd just meet up on actual Habbo... So you don't really achieve anything.
Most people don't realize that lots of users play lots of hotels not just one. When one goes down they switch to there other back up hotels that they play. Sure DDoS all those hotels and they are forced to play yours but most wont.
Lots of my users when I get DDoS'd just meet up on actual Habbo... So you don't really achieve anything.
I'm sort of happy and both sad that this has come around. It's a bittersweet thing. On one hand;
Now cloudflare domains will get suspended for larger attacks its going to be a case of: survival of the fittest and learning how both servers and networking works. Which in this community won't happen for the majority. People are going to need to use their wits, backbone and effort into protecting their server and most importantly shell out some extra cash and put real effort into their hotels. These RevCMS, ran on a $20 dollar VPS hotels will struggle which is good, it will either force people to learn and become good or simply quit. If they quit less cancerous hotels in the community, if they learn how stuff actually works (no, not configuring IIS to run PHP, that doesn't count) they might be possible future contributors to RaGEZONE and the community as a whole.
The part that sucks;
Cloudflare is a free CDN, that is all in my books. The optimizations they do are very insignificant and can be done from your webserver anyways (minifiying JS, CSS etc..). Sure they offer DDoS protection but as proved, it comes at a price as do most things. Some hotels aren't deserving of attacks they receive. Some are actually genuine hotels and hours of hard work are put into them. I can count these hotels on my fingers, but they're there. Some have owners who actually care and don't just want a quick buck (which is all you're gonna get). However as always, the asshat has to ruin it for the majority. Which in this case, is these skids with booters. Just throwing this out there: No matter how much you boot or attack a hotel; girls won't like you more, people will not want to be your friend and your dick will not grow. Get over yourselves.
Again, as with most things. Cloudflare (free/pro) is just a false sense of security. Oh, you're getting a large attack huh? Allow me to just change your DNS records to the IP you're trying to hide and forward traffic to it.
Anyways, well done habbo community. You ruined a perfectly good and free CDN for your selves and a good way to optimise your shitty, slow CMS'. Ya dun goof'd (more than once).
Now cloudflare domains will get suspended for larger attacks its going to be a case of: survival of the fittest and learning how both servers and networking works. Which in this community won't happen for the majority. People are going to need to use their wits, backbone and effort into protecting their server and most importantly shell out some extra cash and put real effort into their hotels. These RevCMS, ran on a $20 dollar VPS hotels will struggle which is good, it will either force people to learn and become good or simply quit. If they quit less cancerous hotels in the community, if they learn how stuff actually works (no, not configuring IIS to run PHP, that doesn't count) they might be possible future contributors to RaGEZONE and the community as a whole.
The part that sucks;
Cloudflare is a free CDN, that is all in my books. The optimizations they do are very insignificant and can be done from your webserver anyways (minifiying JS, CSS etc..). Sure they offer DDoS protection but as proved, it comes at a price as do most things. Some hotels aren't deserving of attacks they receive. Some are actually genuine hotels and hours of hard work are put into them. I can count these hotels on my fingers, but they're there. Some have owners who actually care and don't just want a quick buck (which is all you're gonna get). However as always, the asshat has to ruin it for the majority. Which in this case, is these skids with booters. Just throwing this out there: No matter how much you boot or attack a hotel; girls won't like you more, people will not want to be your friend and your dick will not grow. Get over yourselves.
Again, as with most things. Cloudflare (free/pro) is just a false sense of security. Oh, you're getting a large attack huh? Allow me to just change your DNS records to the IP you're trying to hide and forward traffic to it.
Anyways, well done habbo community. You ruined a perfectly good and free CDN for your selves and a good way to optimise your shitty, slow CMS'. Ya dun goof'd (more than once).
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In all honesty these revCMS hotels that are fucking trash-garbage that are put up EVERY damn day will suffer for a bit though some stupid faggot Ragezone, DevBest, and Otaku members will post a tutorial thread on how somebody can setup an alternative type of protection to continue to protect themselves.
Honestly the issues with the English retro community did not originate from these booting problems, they originated from stupid faggots like mexican immigrant spic ass Kryptos who release these trash-ass poor excuses for a CMS but that isn't really the subject at hand. Ultimately I am not worried about network attacks and new developments in the retro world like this as they will not harm my hotel any longer than a few days in which my partner and myself have already protected against. If i'm honest i'm actually quite happy about things like this as it does slow down the production of stupid ass 10 player revCMS hotels that shut down after a week.
You should also take note that in the beginning of this CloudFlare issue only quality hotels were being attacked; this is because the stupid revCMS faggots were on HackForums and read a thread about the changes with CloudFlare and thought to themselves "Hey, instead of trying to figure out why the hotels above me get more players I will just hit them and hope they come to me even know I run a trash revCMS hotel with more staff members than I have players!".
I'll stop ranting now though I do just wish a miracle would come out of the sky and set us back a few years to where retro competition was based on QUALITY and not "This hotel has been here the longest, lets play even though it is shit and restarts every day along with a database reset every other week...*cough*Zap hotel*cough*."
Honestly the issues with the English retro community did not originate from these booting problems, they originated from stupid faggots like mexican immigrant spic ass Kryptos who release these trash-ass poor excuses for a CMS but that isn't really the subject at hand. Ultimately I am not worried about network attacks and new developments in the retro world like this as they will not harm my hotel any longer than a few days in which my partner and myself have already protected against. If i'm honest i'm actually quite happy about things like this as it does slow down the production of stupid ass 10 player revCMS hotels that shut down after a week.
You should also take note that in the beginning of this CloudFlare issue only quality hotels were being attacked; this is because the stupid revCMS faggots were on HackForums and read a thread about the changes with CloudFlare and thought to themselves "Hey, instead of trying to figure out why the hotels above me get more players I will just hit them and hope they come to me even know I run a trash revCMS hotel with more staff members than I have players!".
I'll stop ranting now though I do just wish a miracle would come out of the sky and set us back a few years to where retro competition was based on QUALITY and not "This hotel has been here the longest, lets play even though it is shit and restarts every day along with a database reset every other week...*cough*Zap hotel*cough*."
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Make your own cdn...As for cloudflare, its useless unless you pay.
What would be the point though ? Thinking about it logically, the investment, time and effort wouldn't be worth it imo for what? So your SWF's load 2 seconds faster ? And that's costing you $$$ in B/W when you could just host off a server running Nginx which costs <$30. Ontop of that, the majority of people who play habbo are retarded. They don't care if your site loads instantly or takes 5 seconds to load. They will still play.
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