Feedback: Should we add a market place for paid server content?

[MentaL]

Thread feedback for: https://forum.ragezone.com/threads/should-we-add-a-market-place-for-paid-server-content.1214529/


Voice input here.

 

[MentaL]

honestly it happened a lot even if the X user isn't advertising in ragezone, people will still come to blame, I think if we can set who can sell it might become a better option just like how developer title is given, and even more better if those who want to sell had to contribute by releasing something to the section, but I do think about problem such as leak, released for free after profit, but in all honesty, leak is a leak and it should be allowed if item being sold is leaked to the forum
as for released for free after some profit I had the experience too when I purchase some mobile application, but well I just let it be, consider that as a support/donation for the developer
selling licensing system and suddenly killed it might be the most concerning just like what Kimberly said

I've had people message me saying they bought server files from member X and asked me to help as they stole their money.

What the heck can I do? Its the golden rule!

 

[pafa7a]

I'm totally against that idea. Instead, I'd encourage for more open-source projects where the authors can put "buy me a beer" button or something in README file or mention other channels for providing paid support. You're going to introduce more problems than solutions with that service. At the end it doesn't solve the issue of reselling ...
"I would prefer to have a safer system in place to ensure everyone's safety." - you can't ensure safety when you're working with closed-source services

 

[MentaL]

I'm totally against that idea. Instead, I'd encourage for more open-source projects where the authors can put "buy me a beer" button or something in README file or mention other channels for providing paid support. You're going to introduce more problems than solutions with that service. At the end it doesn't solve the issue of reselling ...
"I would prefer to have a safer system in place to ensure everyone's safety." - you can't ensure safety when you're working with closed-source services

I like the buy me a beer idea but more so as a "donation". I could fund the creation of this, possibly.

 

[MentaL]

Given this is unlikely to proceed, I propose an alternative:

Should we add a market place for paid server content?

The golden rule here is NO SELLING SERVER FILES! But what about add-ons, plugins, and scripts? What about anti-cheats and other security measures? There have been a few requests from people to have a classified/market system in place for those who create unique and exclusive content for...

forum.ragezone.com

 

[likertuban]

I've had people message me saying they bought server files from member X and asked me to help as they stole their money.

What the heck can I do? Its the golden rule!

Well yeah, it happened all the time
But if we limiting the seller to only certain trusted person, it might be better and we would had less scam and people will try to contribute more, so that they can get the seller right

 

[MentaL]

Well yeah, it happened all the time
But if we limiting the seller to only certain trusted person, it might be better and we would had less scam and people will try to contribute more, so that they can get the seller right

Honestly, I was dubious about posting the initial thread but given what has transpired and with my recent ban spree, I felt it was best. The feedback is constructive and valid. As it stands, the classified system will not go ahead. I will wait until tomorrow to confirm it all though.

 

[likertuban]

I like the buy me a beer idea but more so as a "donation". I could fund the creation of this, possibly.

It might be a good idea, but there’s already a patron for it anyway and they can just put the paypal to their own github, but I think such system won’t works, most people in this forum is looking for free stuff, leach and reupload it everywhere else and sometimes without even credit , and most likely won’t donate I think, no donation = less motivation too

 

[MentaL]

It might be a good idea, but there’s already a patron for it anyway and they can just put the paypal to their own github, but I think such system won’t works, most people in this forum is looking for free stuff, leach and reupload it everywhere else and sometimes without even credit , and most likely won’t donate I think, no donation = less motivation too

I have ideas to help garner attention to the contributor.

 

[AaronzitoBr]

The only problem I see with this is that people with no knowledge or will to learn will open tons of pservers and make people who people take their time to learn to fix things, do their own things... Lose "credit", because lots of PServers are scams.

While tutorials on "how to do" things are the heart of Ragezone (Of course, with some files as well)

 

[Wortex]

I believe in purity with 0 cash transactions or incentives. It's just a slope that might get too slippery if certain conditions are met. "Reaction score" is a good enough indicator of reliability of a user and I can support them through their specified means (patreon, pp, etc) if I ask them, usually they answer, but some are only there to share and don't care about money. The idea of supporting someone is awesome on paper, but the downsides are too great I think, it would also affect the dynamic of what RZ is.

 

[cmb]

No to a marketplace, we used to have one but it caused lots of troubles and I feel like I always read some "I got scammed" testimonial from some random user. However, I do really like the idea of a "buy a beer" button, and it would be something I would maybe use haha.

 

[Seymour]

Yes, but probably should not be part of this forum. May be external one?

 

[StingerOne]

leak is a leak and it should be allowed if item being sold is leaked to the forum

huh? A leak shouldn't be allowed at all. This is ragezone not leakforums.

I think if we can set who can sell it might become a better option just like how developer title is given, and even more better if those who want to sell had to contribute by releasing something to the section

I will release a hello world script, because I'm not releasing any of my hard work for free just to get privilege to sell software, that's very predatory.

 

[vileninja]

What happens if x member buys the add on for a server and decides to release it for free in the forum? I mean ragezone is about posting leaked files after all do the person who leaked the files get in trouble? If so why? We have many files here thst developers made a game to get paid and it gets leaked here for free

 

[likertuban]

huh? A leak shouldn't be allowed at all. This is ragezone not leakforums.


I will release a hello world script, because I'm not releasing any of my hard work for free just to get privilege to sell software, that's very predatory.

Most server files and tools in this forum is leaked if I remember correctly

Yeah, it’s up to you, but those who don’t know about you/me won’t trust you/me either unless they are stupid (most of the scammed victim).
The trusted environment is what the point of my opinion, if we can build trusted environment it might be better than just letting the scammer running around,
That is why seller privilege should only fall to trusted people who also contributed, that is just my opinion/suggestion

 

[Twisted Fate]

What happens if x member buys the add on for a server and decides to release it for free in the forum? I mean ragezone is about posting leaked files after all do the person who leaked the files get in trouble? If so why? We have many files here thst developers made a game to get paid and it gets leaked here for free

I mean, to be completely honest, everyone creating server files is already, in a way infringing on the IP of the company creating the game. Like, I have no specific opinions on how RZ should handle the case. But, if you are already trying to gain profit from another company's work, you should be ready for the fact someone else might release your code for free. That's a risk you are already taking, besides how RaGEZONE handles it. When Phoenix Emulator was released, Quackster cracked it a few times and was allowed to "spread" it on RaGEZONE.

Allowing this marketplace on RaGEZONE just means getting more activity - otherwise, they'll go somewhere else anyways. The risk for creators stays the same.

 

[MentaL]

the idea has been rejected.

 

[Volcanic]

I wouldn't be so sure about it... When you're going to open a new category in forum like this one which called "MarketPlace" everything must be in selling/trading/buying methods... not specific stuff only.... So i think that would be better if you could also let Server files been a selling product in this new "idea"/"improvement" MentaL

 

[Anndralgon]

I mean, the idea was already rejected from what my otherworldly spidey senses can tell

 

[MentaL]

Take 2: https://forum.ragezone.com/threads/...market-place-for-paid-server-content.1214530/

Hi,

I'm considering a custom marketplace system based on reputation. It'll be a unique system designed for us, but the purpose is to allow users to use RZ to finance a source of income. While I do not permit the sale of files (I will ban any SOB I find selling files or profiting from it), I do wish to offer other avenues for our members here. This includes but is not limited to:

• Coding services
• Web design services
• Server file custom coding services *
• Custom client launchers

The third could be considered troublesome, but I would like to have it so payment goes from the client to the developer, but we may take a small % commission for using my platform. I will limit the users ability to offer servicing by membership length of VIP status. No newbies can just randomly offer assistance or sell unless they pay for membership or have been here a while. Let me know what you think and what other potential things we can include or maybe remove. Please, take the time to reply; this could be rather beneficial to a lot of you. I see so many talented people on the forum who deserve some recognition.

Thanks,
MentaL