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G80 Ultra beats R600XTX in 3Dmark 06
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How sexy is that.. gooo Nvidia! 
Lets see what else AMD tries to bump to the top
Lets see what else AMD tries to bump to the top 
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dont believe a word of it
will see in a few weeks when we get some decent benche's
and drivers drivers drivers ppl
the card aint released yet......
and the ultra is acctually just a gtx but higer clocked so nvidea has had much more time to optimize drivers
will see in a few weeks when we get some decent benche's
and drivers drivers drivers ppl
the card aint released yet......
and the ultra is acctually just a gtx but higer clocked so nvidea has had much more time to optimize drivers
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Another win for Nvidia
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Face the facts. I've been waiting ages for the R600. I've been waiting to see it crush everything, but that just isn't the case.
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what facts? 1 of the first benches ? that just stupid they r never correct u should know
and u should know how much drivers matter , did u see the huge performance boost with the latest drivers of nvidia? well they have already had 7 months
just wait until all drivers r optimized and i am confident that the ati will beat nvidia in most cases
if not at least equal
and at least u can count on monthly driver update's from ati
unlike nvidia
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Guess what, ATI have had the same amount of time as Nvidia, just they have been able to test it in a closed environment Whereas Nvidia released theres to the public early and it paid off.
Whereas Nvidia released theres to the public early and it paid off.
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How are benches never correct? I've posted stuff from 2 sources and they both say similar stuff. Just wait till May 2nd when the NDA is lifted and there will be tons of reviews.
Yes drivers do matter, but look at the drivers they are using to test the cards. They are the drives that AMD is going to release for them.
Sure nVidia had 7 months to make drivers. AMD has had just as long. They kept pushing back the card to make it faster but it just hasn't happened. Now they are giving up and releasing it as they can't afford to wait any longer as they are in large amounts of debt and need to make some money back.
Yes and by the time they are optimized so will nVidia's be optimized.
Monthly updates little to no real gain from each to each. Or having a driver up date every 3 months with gains. Not to mention nVidia releasing beta drivers all the times.
Guess what, ATI have had the same amount of time as Nvidia, just they have been able to test it in a closed environment
Ditto. Both cards have been made for about the same time. ATI just pushed it back for a few months to sort out the take over. Then they pushed it back hopping they could move to 65nm with the help of AMD, so they would have a chance in beating nVidia.
What has happened? They couldn't pull off the 65nm and now they are just going to finally release the product.
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i said the first benches r never correct and they never r definitely when the cards ain't even released yet
u want me to believe a article written bye 1 guy that ain't even 15 sentence's long then copied bye ignorant ppl
no ty , ill wait for some decent bench's
wrong they will release new drivers as soon as the card is launched wich would give a great performance boost (or so ati said)
at least more gain then from nvidia there drivers were pathetic with vista
err , they need feedback to optimize there drivers
how can they get feedback when there cards ain't even released yet and when they cant see how they perform with the general public
unlike nvidia who have had more then 7 months feedback
and nvidia were in a lot later stage of development
when the g80 was released the r600 was still beying made
u have become a nvidia fanboy nopeace : p
u should kno better definitely about those first bench's and with crap drivers
go compare the 8800 first benches when there werent even released with the one's from now......
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when the release of NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 will be?
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*sigh* SantaClaus1 flails. Nvidia drivers being bad with Vista are due to Vista being...wait for it....NEW? I would like to see these fabled ATI drivers that will give such a big boost being used on Vista oh hmm, 7 months ago? Yeah. Just because they didn't have as much feedback doesn't mean they can't test the drivers themselves. There is only so much feedback can give you in terms of knowing what the problem is and how to fix it. Please, just stfu for your own good. Your just embarrassing yourself
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dude u r clearly a fanboy that"s y i haven't replied to u yet and aren't going to do it after this
and if that is your only rebuttal on everything i said then it was a pore attempt to try and look like somebody who actually knows something about it
at least nopeace knows what he's talking about unlike u
u r the 1 embarrassing yourself
u r the quind of guy who only used nvidia for god knows howlong and seeing what u wrote about ur soundcard (in the other thread(u dident even know it dozent work in vista))u aint even uzing vista yet
so it wouldent even matter to u considering u dont have dx 10
so plz u stfu
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Alright, let me just prove you wrong there
I've been using PC's since I was three, I know much more about them than you would realise.
Yes, I am a Nvidia fanboy, and I have perfect reasons why, such as Nvidia beating ATI around the block right now.
What soundcard in the "other" thread? I would like a link to that. And yeah, I don't use Vista. I'm not stupid enough to install it just after it was released. Everybody (Obviously not you) knows that a brand new OS means lots of bugs, and lots of security holes. THAT Would be why I don't have it at the moment.
What does DX10 have to do with this thread (Apart from the GPU's supporting it)
EDIT: Oh dear God, I mentioned NOTHING AT ALL to do with Vista about my soundcard. YOU were the one jumping to conclusions that I was going to use it with Vista. Just for the record I am aware that it doesn't work with Vista, but I had heard rumours about a patch that fixes it but have not looked it up due to my previous point of not having nor wanting Vista for a good long time. Kthxbaibai you fail.
I've been using PC's since I was three, I know much more about them than you would realise.
Yes, I am a Nvidia fanboy, and I have perfect reasons why, such as Nvidia beating ATI around the block right now.
What soundcard in the "other" thread? I would like a link to that. And yeah, I don't use Vista. I'm not stupid enough to install it just after it was released. Everybody (Obviously not you) knows that a brand new OS means lots of bugs, and lots of security holes. THAT Would be why I don't have it at the moment.
What does DX10 have to do with this thread (Apart from the GPU's supporting it)
EDIT: Oh dear God, I mentioned NOTHING AT ALL to do with Vista about my soundcard. YOU were the one jumping to conclusions that I was going to use it with Vista. Just for the record I am aware that it doesn't work with Vista, but I had heard rumours about a patch that fixes it but have not looked it up due to my previous point of not having nor wanting Vista for a good long time. Kthxbaibai you fail.
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You totally ignored the fact that there are stuff from 2 different sources saying the same thing. :eh:
Guess what... The drivers that will be released with them are the ones that the reviews are using with the NOW.
And to be honest. AMD has admitted that the performance is bad on the cards. That they are much lower then what they wanted. Hence why the 2900XT is no longer being compared to the 8800GTX but to the GTS instead.
Also if there was a performance boost, why on earth would they sell the card at $400usd? If it could perform then they would sell it at least at $500usd. That would mean it'll be the same price as the GTS but performs the same as the GTX. But what did they do instead? Went even lower. So they could sell them. Because with the performance just a tad bit over the GTS it makes no since getting it when it uses 2x the power.
Yes the original Vista drivers are pathetic, but the newest release is said to have cured the problems. I have yet to test them though but I will in a day or so.
And in terms of performance gain from regular patches. AMD doesn't do a big job at it.
A good 2/3 of the driver releases don't increase performance but fix just bugs. The other 1/3 of drivers is just optimization for a few select cards. Trust me... I've used ATI cards for years now.
With nVidia on the other had it's a different story. They don't release monthly drivers. They do release Beta drivers every 2-4 weeks.
The Beta drivers are basically what the monthly ATI/AMD drivers are. Bug fixes and minor tweaks. After a few beta releases they compile all the fixes and tweaks together and release an official patch that actually does increase performance by a good bit.
I've also used nVidia cards for years and that's how it's been and will probably always be.
Every 3 months you'll see some optimization for select cards and in between you have bug fixes.
Feedback isn't for optimization. It's for bug fixes.
How do they optimize drivers? They look at the popular titles around and their driver programmers plays the games, right minor tweaks, test them on the games, and repeat.
It's not feedback that helps them optimize drivers. It's their programmers looking at the most popular stuff around and program around them to make it better.
Trust me. If something isn't popular you won't see any optimization for it. No matter how much feedback you give them.
Though on the other hand. You report a bug and it'll be fixed.
That's why you only see big name games and bechmarks with better performance with drivers and not most games. Though you do see bug fixes for just about everything.
Lol... When the G80 was released AMD already had test samples of the cards out.
What happens with test samples? They makes ES versions of them with in a month. After that it's a matter of a few revisions and then it could be released. By winter of 06 it should have been out.
What happened? They didn't work to well so they delayed it a few months to fix mainly the power consumption. When January come about they decided to try 65nm out for it. What happened there? It came the end of March and that idea wasn't working to well so they gave and just went back to tweaking the original design that they was going to use in January.
In the end you are getting the January chip that was delayed for no good reason.
I am not an nVidia fanboy. To be honest my preference is ATI/AMD. I've used their cards much longer then I have used nVidia.
Though my opinions are based on what it really is. You are the fanboy here not accepting the fact that the high end AMD product is a flop. Even AMD has admitted it.
nVidia's top in solution is by far in a way the best you can get. Even if it's old and out dated.
Though the mid and low end AMD card are going to be the best. The will be using the least amount of power and will be pretty damn fast. Much faster then the nVidia solution.
This generation of graphics cards will be the opposite of last generation.
Last gen the low and mid range nVidia cards were the way to go with the high end ATI cards being the way to go. This time it's the opposite.
Still much better then 2 and 3 gens ago. Where it was side dominating all 3 sections.
Like a few months ago. =P
It's not really down to it being new. XP was new many years ago and didn't face this problem because XP and 2000 driver system was the same.
With Vista the whole driver system is different and much harder to work with. That's why it's taking ages for drivers to come out for it.
I doubt any driver of such will happen unless there are secrete functions in the hardware that isn't being used at the moment.
Like how the G80 has 160 SPs and the GTX only uses 128 of them. So they could pull it off by unlocking the rest, but I doubt the R600 has anything like that. From what I'm gathering, they are using everything they got just to make it a little faster then the GTS.
And yes. They have had these cards since January. Nothing is really different on them now and since then. The delay was just their failed attempt in moving to 65nm.
So that means their driver teams have had a good 3 months to write drivers for the cards.
As for bugs on the other hand. They will need feedback to fix that out but that shouldn't effect the performance of the cards anyways.
Quoted for the truth, but he is to thick headed to be embarrassed by himself.
More like you are the fanboy. Just typically of a fanboy to run his mouth off about something being better then something when it isn't.
Just like all the AMD fanboys saying that AMDs are better then Intel even when there is 1000s of proof saying otherwise.
Lol... That goes for you too. =P
Question. Do you have Vista?
Hell I don't have Vista and it doesn't really matter anyways. Video cards are tested on XP and all the tests are done in DX9.
How does the R600 perform in DX10? How does the G80 perform in DX10? No one knows and no one will know for months.
R600 might just win in DX10 but then again that'll be very unlikely as all DX10 games being made at the moment are being tested and optimized to work on the G80 hardware.
It'll have to be till the second wave of DX10 games before the r600 will show if it's better at DX10 then the G80 is. By then it'll be too late to make a difference as the R700 should be out if it isn't delayed and the G90 and maybe even G100 will be out.
Umm... I've been using PC's since I was 13... Much shorter then you but I know more then you. =P
The amount of time you have used a computer is meaningless to your knowledge of it.
:chair:
Stop being a fanboy. Jump on the badwaggon of the best stuff. =P
Bugs and security holes isn't a big issue for a new OS. They are the kind of things that will never be fixed. And for security holes, Vista has less then XP. =P
The biggest issue with new OSs is the compatibility issues. Not to many programs works well at first and the same for hardware.
Right now creative audio cards don't work well under Vista, especially the 64-bit version.
Anyways would you to idiots stop fighting.
I hate nVidia Vs ATI fanboys and AMD Vs Intel fanboys.
Get over it.
nVidia wins high end GPU market.
AMD wins mid-low end GPU market.
Intel wins mid-high end CPU market.
AMD wins mid-low end CPU market.
That's the cold honest truth here and get over it. Now stop the bickering or I'll infract you both for flaming one another.
This section of for discussion and not fanboy flame wars.
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Of course, if something better comes out than Nvidia/Intel and I'm looking for a new part then yeah, I will go for the best part (Providing it doesn't cost a lot more than its competitor)
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http://forum.ragezone.com/f337/amd-radeon-hd-2900-xt-performance-benchmarks-246923/#post2191235
u even forget what u wrote 2 days ago ....
and vista is much more secure then xp
and how do u know if u dident even try it yet , its not hard to make a dual boot now is it ?
everybody can badmouth stuff , at least try it first
lol nopeace : p
just gonna answer real quik cause i aint home
yes i have vista and
just to clear things up i ain't a fanboy
i m using a 8800 gts 320 mb atm cause it's the best bang for buck
and i have 2x the older 6600 256 mb version (use to run them in sli)
but i have 2 ati x1900 series to
anyway i hate it when ppl jump to conclusions when the card ain't even released and again i repeat myself when bench's r being done on buggy drivers
if in 2 months the facts r still the same like they r now then i gladly admit i m wrong
but i have faith in ati
1 more thing how can u be sure these will be the drivers when the card is released?
u can be 100% sure with ati about monthly driver update
so before the card is released at least 1 more driver update will have taken place
so these drivers r not the final
u should be like me and have some faith
cause in the end the only ppl who benefit from ati being better r we , the consumers
price's drop ... etc etc
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