[HELP]What's your opinion 'bout current L2J releases? L2J

[Sentinel]

First of all I'd like to welcome whole RZ community!

Hokay, so as you may think, I'm a bit confused about server soft.. We all know that players are afraid of L2J, meaning they usually choose OFF/Other soft instead of L2J, mainly because of bugs, unbalance and that kind of stuff. So here's my first question, is it possible to re- code L2J to make it work stable, lagless and as close to OFF soft as possible? Provided, of course, I have good enough hardware (which is completely different case, described already in other thread).
Before I started to work on L2 Servers, I was a player for about 2 years, and to be honest it's very easy to notice that server is either l2j or off during first minutes- it's just obvious. Ranging from L2J additional messages, stacking buffs, not working skills to bugged geodata (or even not working), bugged NPCs, lag typical for l2j and so on. All those things put L2J on the bottom of the list of L2 Server softs. And here's another question, dear ragezoners, is it possible to fix those things enough at least to "hide" the fact that server is using L2J soft?

I started to work with L2J releases (always nightlies) about 4 months ago, and it pleases me a lot. I'd like to start my own server as soon as I pass all my last exams (in about 4 months). But I'm afraid that running L2J based server is a dead- end, since , as I said, players avoid it. What is your opinion? Is it better to just run OFF server (of which I have no idea) or re- code L2J?
I also know that running a server alone is either impossible or very tough task. That's why I was thinking about hiring someone, who could help me with datapack development (I know what I'm saying, I know that no one works for free, so % of future donations is a good payment in my opinion). Is it possible to find someone willing to help? Or is everyone busy with his own server..? :thumbs-up

Generally I'd be really grateful for any suggestions related to server development, proper datapacks, people willing to help as well as answers for my questions and personal experiences

Thanks in advance, Sentinel.

 

[andycris1993]

In my opinion l2j servers will never be like l2off but it can get close. Now it depends on the tipe of server you want to make because for low rate the best is l2off, but for mid and high rate servers best is l2j server.
L2off is keping the lineage as it should be but l2j is making a new game based on lineage 2 because it can be fully costomed.
The bugs in l2j are not to hard to fix if you now how but it requires lots of time.
If you chose l2j I can help you for free whit your server if you want.

 

[EzEraL]

Well if you want to have a low rate server with l2j it will be difficult.I had a low rate server with 1,3k ppl with l2j but it was hard(need many work).Skills rework,balanced stats,and ect and recheck all updates from l2j trac and of cource rewrte some code.After two years i changed to L2off c4 with interlude client login and c5 and interlude skills and all work fine.I have 1,8k ppl in my off server low rate and 1100 ppl in pvp with l2j

So l2j devs if they stop update their current releases and try to rewrite the code,l2j will never be like off.And its not java fault.I see many mmorpg emus that are written in java and can hold 4k ppl

Yes maybe c++ in my opinion is better but java is good enough for servers.So its devs choice.What do you think?

 

[Sjikke]

It will never be like L2off, but I think with some effort you can make a great L2J server. Make sure you introduce yourself well, nice website and all, that tends to attract players.

I've seen a lot of L2J servers and some of them are pretty good, i.e. not much lag, not too much bugs(except for Geodata probs).

I have my own private server for "friends and fun" (It never aired due to lack of $$ xD), I've made a whole lot of stuff myself, and I think that's the main advantage of L2J, you can customize it. A lot of player nowadays prefer servers with lots of addons, like that TvT & CTF. Not all though, some still like it the old way.

 

[EzEraL]

And we must think why l2j devs when they have the idea for the emu(at the beginings)why they dont use lua db instred of this(xml)

 

[Sentinel]

In my opinion l2j servers will never be like l2off but it can get close. Now it depends on the tipe of server you want to make because for low rate the best is l2off, but for mid and high rate servers best is l2j server.
L2off is keping the lineage as it should be but l2j is making a new game based on lineage 2 because it can be fully costomed.
The bugs in l2j are not to hard to fix if you now how but it requires lots of time.
If you chose l2j I can help you for free whit your server if you want.

To be exact I was thinking about 45x server with GM Shops and NPC Buffers, so that's pretty much PvP Server. Question is, is it possible to make l2j server run smooth enough to attract players?
I'd be really grateful for your help, but as I said- I won't start earlier than in may of 2008 since I have exams. If you are interested anyway, we'll get in touch via MSN.

Well if you want to have a low rate server with l2j it will be difficult.I had a low rate server with 1,3k ppl with l2j but it was hard(need many work).Skills rework,balanced stats,and ect and recheck all updates from l2j trac and of cource rewrte some code.After two years i changed to L2off c4 with interlude client login and c5 and interlude skills and all work fine.I have 1,8k ppl in my off server low rate and 1100 ppl in pvp with l2j

So l2j devs if they stop update their current releases and try to rewrite the code,l2j will never be like off.And its not java fault.I see many mmorpg emus that are written in java and can hold 4k ppl

Yes maybe c++ in my opinion is better but java is good enough for servers.So its devs choice.What do you think?

As I already said, I'm thinking about 45x PvP server. I agree about L2J Development part. This pack definitely needs to be recoded and than upgraded, cause now they are just upgrading messed core. To my mind L2J is a very good and friendly for developers sourcecode, but as mentioned above, players avoid it since it had been mesed long time ago and remains unfixed.

But, do you think that well prepared L2J server has any chance to hit the toplists?

 

[EzEraL]

To be exact I was thinking about 45x server with GM Shops and NPC Buffers, so that's pretty much PvP Server. Question is, is it possible to make l2j server run smooth enough to attract players?
I'd be really grateful for your help, but as I said- I won't start earlier than in may of 2008 since I have exams. If you are interested anyway, we'll get in touch via MSN.


As I already said, I'm thinking about 45x PvP server. I agree about L2J Development part. This pack definitely needs to be recoded and than upgraded, cause now they are just upgrading messed core. To my mind L2J is a very good and friendly for developers sourcecode, but as mentioned above, players avoid it since it had been mesed long time ago and remains unfixed.

But, do you think that well prepared L2J server has any chance to hit the toplists?

Well in hopzone exept from top1,2,3 others are l2j

Yes with l2j you can have a good and succesfull server.The 95% of the servers are l2j

 

[Sjikke]

Sorry for this question but what's so messed up about the core? I'm a newb to programming, everything I am capable of, I learned from trial and error, I never saw a book/tut or anything.

I'd love to help, just for fun, but in May my exams start.. I can't mess up like last year, so I'll need my time for it

But, do you think that well prepared L2J server has any chance to hit the toplists?

Wasn't L2Extreme, one of the best servers, L2J? I'm not sure, but I thought it was.

 

[Sentinel]

Well in hopzone exept from top1,2,3 others are l2j

Yes with l2j you can have a good and succesfull server.The 95% of the servers are l2j

Sounds invitingly, we'll see. Gonna get down to serious work in May probably, now I'll just edit something from time to time..

Sorry for this question but what's so messed up about the core? I'm a newb to programming, everything I am capable of, I learned from trial and error, I never saw a book/tut or anything.

I'd love to help, just for fun, but in May my exams start.. I can't mess up like last year, so I'll need my time for it

Wasn't L2Extreme, one of the best servers, L2J? I'm not sure, but I thought it was.

I wasn't reading any tutorial as well dude, I'm just a edit -> try -> mess -> repair type of guy
As I said, I will not do any serious job until May, but we can always have some small fun from time to time. We'll see. Now I'll be looking for a good serverpack to have some base, than we'll slowly re- code it. That's the plan of course. Anyone willing to join me, let me now.

ahh, Extreme was L2J before C4 was leaked, than every good server (starting from Revenge) went OFF

 

[Sjikke]

Sounds invitingly, we'll see. Gonna get down to serious work in May probably, now I'll just edit something from time to time..


I wasn't reading any tutorial as well dude, I'm just a edit -> try -> mess -> repair type of guy
As I said, I will not do any serious job untill May, but we can always have some small fun from time to time. We'll see. Now I'll be looking for a good serverpack to have some base, than we'll slowly re- code it. That's the plan of course. Anyone willing to join me, let me now.

ahh, Extreme was L2J before C4 was leaked, than every good server (starting from Revenge) went OFF

Yeah I'm the same, before I started with L2J I had never seen any java. In the beginning I only used normal packs, now I edit everything I see. Then I try to compile it, it fails with about 25 errors. I don't know everything about Java, like what "sychronized void" is etc. But basics, is easy. I made myself functions for summon scrolls, for potions that give 2x exp. for 15 mins etc. (things like ".join" as command to join events, too)

Anyway, L2J can be very good. It just needs some attention.

Edit: Oneo has a good pack. It has a lot of addons, but they can be disabled. I think it is a good start.

 

[EzEraL]

A new project strated by some devs that not like the current l2j updates.

The features will be:

* complete clusterized serverarchitecture with GameServer, LoginServer, NpcServer, CacheServer, PetcomServer (Community-Petition) and Administrationserver
* complete administration services from php and shellscript solution
* worldnode support (world can be splitted to more than one gameserver)
* designed for high userrates
* utilizes the huge database system postgresSQL as backends storageengine
* completely scriptable servercore with minimal overhead
* features lua and Rhino (Javascript) scripting
* (GPL part)features Chaotic Throne 1 - The Kamael right from the start
* more to come

Its called L2Castell and looks promising

 

[Sentinel]

It's very good that someone decides to re- code it.. but in my opinion L2 Private Servers are becoming more and more similar to those Mu Online servers.. that worldnode support- what for?
It's because there're too many servers nowadays, and to get decent amount of players administrators really have to come up with something unique.

I think that using nightlies datapack is the best way anyway. I'll try Oneo tho, because many people adviced me to do so (including Sjikke )

 

[popkorn]

A new project strated by some devs that not like the current l2j updates.

The features will be:

* complete clusterized serverarchitecture with GameServer, LoginServer, NpcServer, CacheServer, PetcomServer (Community-Petition) and Administrationserver
* complete administration services from php and shellscript solution
* worldnode support (world can be splitted to more than one gameserver)
* designed for high userrates
* utilizes the huge database system postgresSQL as backends storageengine
* completely scriptable servercore with minimal overhead
* features lua and Rhino (Javascript) scripting
* (GPL part)features Chaotic Throne 1 - The Kamael right from the start
* more to come

Its called L2Castell and looks promising

"The second license will feature some commercial addons that are not available in the GPL version like a complete new written communicationlayer for gameserver-client transport"

 

[Sjikke]

It's because there're too many servers nowadays, and to get decent amount of players administrators really have to come up with something unique.

I agree, although you can get player if you have your sever just organized, without a lot of problems, they tend to scare people off. But it is true that there has to be something unique if you want to attract loads of players.

There are a lot of fun engines already, CTF, TvT, VIP and even some extensive factions systems (Good, neutral and evil). The latter is very interesting since that can be customized/extended a lot.

But it all depends on what you want.

 

[andycris1993]

It's very good that someone decides to re- code it.. but in my opinion L2 Private Servers are becoming more and more similar to those Mu Online servers.. that worldnode support- what for?
It's because there're too many servers nowadays, and to get decent amount of players administrators really have to come up with something unique.

I think that using nightlies datapack is the best way anyway. I'll try Oneo tho, because many people adviced me to do so (including Sjikke )

I think l2j free is better than oneo. I used oneo and i had lots and lots of errors and it was crashing verry often. L2j free has the same mods as oneo do. In the oneo mods you need just a little config, it's like a ready to use, this is what ppl like at it i thing. The kvn and the rb events can be added too in l2j free. Whit l2j free i have no errors and less bugs. Now every body thinks it in his own way.
I agree whit you, but let's see, in hopzone the best pvp server is refused as i can see, and it have no costom mods or thinks like this, but it has like 1000 players. Way, because every class is balanced, and the ppl are nice, so on.
There are so few servers that have these things.

 

[Sentinel]

I agree, although you can get player if you have your sever just organized, without a lot of problems, they tend to scare people off. But it is true that there has to be something unique if you want to attract loads of players.

There are a lot of fun engines already, CTF, TvT, VIP and even some extensive factions systems (Good, neutral and evil). The latter is very interesting since that can be customized/extended a lot.

But it all depends on what you want.

I think l2j free is better than oneo. I used oneo and i had lots and lots of errors and it was crashing verry often. L2j free has the same mods as oneo do. In the oneo mods you need just a little config, it's like a ready to use, this is what ppl like at it i thing. The kvn and the rb events can be added too in l2j free. Whit l2j free i have no errors and less bugs. Now every body thinks it in his own way.
I agree whit you, but let's see, in hopzone the best pvp server is refused as i can see, and it have no costom mods or thinks like this, but it has like 1000 players. Way, because every class is balanced, and the ppl are nice, so on.
There are so few servers that have these things.

There's only one conlusion- before adding some extra addons, event engines etc, we must focus on balance and stability- these things are of utmost importance.
I can't say anything about Oneo and Free packs- gotta try it first. But as far as I can see more people choose Oneo, but we'll see.

 

[Sjikke]

I think l2j free is better than oneo. I used oneo and i had lots and lots of errors and it was crashing verry often. L2j free has the same mods as oneo do. In the oneo mods you need just a little config, it's like a ready to use, this is what ppl like at it i thing. The kvn and the rb events can be added too in l2j free. Whit l2j free i have no errors and less bugs. Now every body thinks it in his own way.
I agree whit you, but let's see, in hopzone the best pvp server is refused as i can see, and it have no costom mods or thinks like this, but it has like 1000 players. Way, because every class is balanced, and the ppl are nice, so on.
There are so few servers that have these things.

For me its the other way round, L2Oneo give me little to non errors, while L2JFree gives me nothing but errors. It first didn't even want to start, it gave problems with the RAM usage, it was quite some time before I had my PC back up and running normal again. And now don't say I am a noob, because (most of the time) I know what I am doing.

@Sentinel: I agree, first it should be stable, but believe me, that's hard to get It will need some serious recoding by some professionals, atleast I can't do such thing.

 

[EzEraL]

Well l2jfree and oneo.Good teams both of them.Each have its advantages and dissadvantages.L2jfree have more features and better customizations if you little modding the source.About the kvn that oneo have i dont agree.L2jfree have a faction system same as kvn but with more options and stuff

Oneo in other side is more stable with cleaner code.Its your dessision.But think that the best is not the ready from teams but the pack that you work on it.Maybe you use l2jfree as base and add oneo and l2emu codes that you want and need and ect

That is my opinion and i believe its succesfull because my server have many ppl as i said before(previous post)

 

[andycris1993]

Sjikke I didn't make you noob. I just say that my machine had errors whit oneo server pack.
I use l2j free as a base and clean and add my fixes and addons.
I didn't say that oneo isn't good at all it is a good server pack but as ezeral sayed it has some advantages and dissadvantages.

 

[Sjikke]

Sjikke I didn't make you noob. I just say that my machine had errors whit oneo server pack.
I use l2j free as a base and clean and add my fixes and addons.
I didn't say that oneo isn't good at all it is a good server pack but as ezeral sayed it has some advantages and dissadvantages.

I know you didn't, but it was as a precaution.