So I'll fill you in. RaGEZONE / Nexon / FT and a court case.

[PolSquiggles]

Shawn is so wise and speaks the truth. Wizet is Ducking poop up yo. But, their content upgrades are a lot larger than the ones that private servers do so I can understand.

 

[CarterFTWWW]

Shawn is so wise and speaks the truth. Wizet is Ducking poop up yo. But, their content upgrades are a lot larger than the ones that private servers do so I can understand.

assuming wizet is the owner of maplestory...

no one knows what the duck nexon is doing. You can go through any new server like chaos or nova and find names like "iBTusoMAD" or "w8formeBT" in the top ranks. People who make it clear they hack man. But nexon makes lots of profit from BT as well so whatever.

 

[PolSquiggles]

nexon.net's networth used to be over 600k (right around when odin released their source)

It has now dropped down to under 250k.

Lewltrafficl0ss.

And yes, I agree, Nexon is doing a horrible job. At first, when scania FIRST came out, and tespia closed, it was pretty legit. Even back then, Nexon was Ducking up.

(Bera had x2 rates for 5 months, when it was supposed to have them for a week)


I take that back.
This Website Value
$267,353

 

[Metalmaple]

nexon.net's networth used to be over 600k (right around when odin released their source)

It has now dropped down to under 250k.

Lewltrafficl0ss.

And yes, I agree, Nexon is doing a horrible job. At first, when scania FIRST came out, and tespia closed, it was pretty legit. Even back then, Nexon was Ducking up.

(Bera had x2 rates for 5 months, when it was supposed to have them for a week)


I take that back.
This Website Value
$267,353

PolSquiggles:

Hey dude, calm down.
If you really are so smart, go and make your own game. Nexon know's what they are doing, group of people vs. you alone.

People can have their theories, but you are trying to say how much they earn. MapleStory is one of the greatest MMORPG's of all time, it even came before WoW.

You are even calling it Wizet, therefore I believe your general acknowledge about this site is low, when the link is:

"maplestory.*nexon*.net"

Please, stop you just learned the real name from that Carter guy and you are trying to go for statistics.

In my opinion you should make your own game if you are that smart and know how to run the business. You are even blaming them ingame, so I assume you are one of the best developers on this forum.

My opinion

Metal

 

[Shawn]

PolSquiggles:

Hey dude, calm down.
If you really are so smart, go and make your own game. Nexon know's what they are doing, group of people vs. you alone.

People can have their theories, but you are trying to say how much they earn. MapleStory is one of the greatest MMORPG's of all time, it even came before WoW.

You are even calling it Wizet, therefore I believe your general acknowledge about this site is low, when the link is:

"maplestory.*nexon*.net"

Please, stop you just learned the real name from that Carter guy and you are trying to go for statistics.

In my opinion you should make your own game if you are that smart and know how to run the business. You are even blaming them ingame, so I assume you are one of the best developers on this forum.

My opinion

Metal

You sir, need to learn a few things. Everyone has the right to complain about something. Does that mean they have to be able to do better? No. There is nothing wrong with being dissatisfied with a companies performance, especially when the performance is lacking on a regular basis. Lastly, Wizet does develop the game MapleStory. They still develop it. Nexon owns the right and publishes the game, they do not develop the game.

 

[Metalmaple]

You sir, need to learn a few things. Everyone has the right to complain about something. Does that mean they have to be able to do better? No. There is nothing wrong with being dissatisfied with a companies performance, especially when the performance is lacking on a regular basis. Lastly, Wizet does develop the game MapleStory. They still develop it. Nexon owns the right and publishes the game, they do not develop the game.

Well, I just thought I had my rights to complain about people complaining :-o I guess it's a differen't sitatuation, but still. I am stating my opinion and people can feel free to complain about that.

Without discussions this wouldn't be a forum. Even if I typed my message differently it would still have same meaning. As you are obviously saying I pushed it too far, and you are complaining about it. So I see nothing wrong, other than a discussion. If you feel there is something wrong with context, go ahead and point it.

The reason I pointed Wizet and Nexon was because he first thought it was Wizet who owned the game and right after that he is giving statistics. Pointing that Nexon probably know more about business than him, isn't offensive. Actually, it's a statement. Most likely fact.

I am sorry if my context was harsh though.

Metal

PS:

Originally Posted by Nitrous X View Post
Last post here ^^ : why are you guys so supportive to nexon lol , well if you think PS is illegal and Ragezone is bad then leave ... I understand they can harrass Rz/Mental Outside Ragezone.com but here? Hell nah brother this is our home lol mess with one means mess to all .. so yeah hate me or whatever you'll feel but stop protecting your boyfriend lloyd korn !
Thank god this is your last post. You're honestly an idiot, and it's pretty obvious your IQ is either below normal or you're under 13 years old. Smfh, "your boyfriend lloyd korn"?

Originally Posted by Soul View Post
Speak for your self.
You should be speaking for yourself. You spend your donations on porn and microsoft points for xbox live. If you really knew what you were doing and really cared about your server, then maybe you wouldn't be getting screwed over by the people you worked/work with.

Originally Posted by Nitrous X View Post
Well we all know most of us are like 14,13 or even 12 and 11 years old lol ,
Funny if you will think of those ages going to court because of their stupidity ... Face the fact , security of their server is shenanigans that's why the file got leaked .. why blaming us ? and specially why Dan ? Well shoulda really file case for all the lies he had said .. More power to Dan .. Go RaGeZone
Just saying, you can go to court at any age. The only thing that'll be affected is Nexons reputation. They're specifically after Dan because he is the owner of the forums. As owner, you have to take the blame or responsibility to whatever happens.

That's why I thought the way I was typing is okay. I believe that everyone are equal and therefore I can type in the dicussion way too.
- I am sorry if this is a misunderstanding, but I really don't see any difference. Well, I didn't swear or offend him. That's a difference I would like to point out.
(And even if he got offended, it's a forum. I am saying this because of the way he is on forum, the way he posts. I don't actually know him.)

 

[creationstory]

Yeah...so this has probably been said already but Nexon claims we "stole" code from them when in fact didn't people reverse engineer the code? I'm just wondering.

 

[LovetheLord]

Thank you MentaL for telling us what had happened. Now, I'm not so angry.

+like.

I'm actually surprised that NEXON is lying by saying we stole any source code from them. LOL. Anyhow, this does seem like a tight spot for you. At this point, I, myself wouldn't know if I'd save the MapleStory section at all. If you had the money and such, you probably would win your case, but in the end, is it worth all the money?

by leeching packets, is it possible that that's what they consider source code? Or we could have majestically created our own packets that just so happen to work?

---------- Post added at 04:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:49 PM ----------

i think Nexon is just mad that they are running out of ideas for their games, and that they have problems with almost every aspect of their games

 

[PolSquiggles]

Well, I just thought I had my rights to complain about people complaining :-o I guess it's a differen't sitatuation, but still. I am stating my opinion and people can feel free to complain about that.

Without discussions this wouldn't be a forum. Even if I typed my message differently it would still have same meaning. As you are obviously saying I pushed it too far, and you are complaining about it. So I see nothing wrong, other than a discussion. If you feel there is something wrong with context, go ahead and point it.

The reason I pointed Wizet and Nexon was because he first thought it was Wizet who owned the game and right after that he is giving statistics. Pointing that Nexon probably know more about business than him, isn't offensive. Actually, it's a statement. Most likely fact.

I am sorry if my context was harsh though.

Metal

PS:

That's why I thought the way I was typing is okay. I believe that everyone are equal and therefore I can type in the dicussion way too.
- I am sorry if this is a misunderstanding, but I really don't see any difference. Well, I didn't swear or offend him. That's a difference I would like to point out.
(And even if he got offended, it's a forum. I am saying this because of the way he is on forum, the way he posts. I don't actually know him.)

No. I know Nexon owns it, did you even read my post?

nexon.net's networth used to be over 600k (right around when odin released their source)

It has now dropped down to under 250k.

Lewltrafficl0ss.

And yes, I agree, Nexon is doing a horrible job. At first, when scania FIRST came out, and tespia closed, it was pretty legit. Even back then, Nexon was Ducking up.

(Bera had x2 rates for 5 months, when it was supposed to have them for a week)


I take that back.
This Website Value
$267,353

Pretty sure that all my blame in that post was at Nexon. Not Wizet. The only time I brought up Wizet was in saying that they're Ducking poop up - which since they develop the source, they are. Also, pretty sure saying that a companies networth has gone down by more than 50% isn't saying I'm better than them.

 

[Metalmaple]

PolSquiggles:

1st: Obviously, you talked about Wizet. Wizet is part of Nexon, a.k.a NEXON. Even if it's Wizet developers it's still under Nexon, don't try to safe it.

2nd: You are stating their income. Now, net worth? Who cares about their net worth? There are so many other factors.

You are stating MapleStory sucks because of their net worth? You didn't even state whats bad about MapleStory. In my opinion 2x rates is pretty badass, and it's 5-6 years ago. (They had 6th year anniversary, w.e.)

Now, Nexon earned billions of money, and regardless what you say I do not think net worth can prove that they are good/bad.

Yes, indeed you are not saying you are better than them. You are reffering to you have a better idea than them, you know how to do the things better. You know that removed 2x for those 5 months will make it better. (You are saying you are better)

Nexon was Ducking up.

And

Wizet is Ducking poop up yo.

So what is your conclusion? Wizet or Nexon?

In my opinion Nexon is Ducking poop up yo, not Wizet. Cash shop, enough said.

Please come with a few statements, for me it either seems like you have made a few typos or you are trying to safe the situation!

Metal

 

[PolSquiggles]

PolSquiggles:

1st: Obviously, you talked about Wizet. Wizet is part of Nexon, a.k.a NEXON. Even if it's Wizet developers it's still under Nexon, don't try to safe it.

2nd: You are stating their income. Now, net worth? Who cares about their net worth? There are so many other factors.

You are stating MapleStory sucks because of their net worth? You didn't even state whats bad about MapleStory. In my opinion 2x rates is pretty badass, and it's 5-6 years ago. (They had 6th year anniversary, w.e.)

Now, Nexon earned billions of money, and regardless what you say I do not think net worth can prove that they are good/bad.

Yes, indeed you are not saying you are better than them. You are reffering to you have a better idea than them, you know how to do the things better. You know that removed 2x for those 5 months will make it better. (You are saying you are better)



And



So what is your conclusion? Wizet or Nexon?

In my opinion Nexon is Ducking poop up yo, not Wizet. Cash shop, enough said.

Please come with a few statements, for me it either seems like you have made a few typos or you are trying to safe the situation!

Metal

Net worth = traffic.

You just bitched me out for saying Wizet, and now you're saying wizet is nexon?

And Nexon isn't a multibillion dollar company.

I stated that Nexon is losing traffic"lewltrafficloss"
Losing traffic almost immediately means losing players, which means losing money.

I didn't say my ideas were better. I simply stated that when they implement ideas they should follow through - my example given being the rates. 2x rates is nice, I enjoyed it, but if you're saying it'll only last a week, make it last a week.

It doesn't take a genius to understand that Nexon needs to worry less about making it to the 500 million dollar mark and more about hiring staff that does their job correctly. GMs aren't on, they rely on their autoban for the most part, their support system is absolutely HORRIBLE, and they seem to not use their test server, Tespia, before releasing things.

The only way I said I was "better" or even remotely to that was stating that when I put something into my server I test it to make sure it works without fail. They do not.


Now if you want me to put even more into the whole wizet nexon thing you seem to have an obsession with -

Nexon is Ducking poop up. The support system needs to be handled better, events need to be handled better, and they need to put more than a 50 employees to handle over 300,000 people. Again, 50 is an estimate, don't comment on it.

Wizet is Ducking poop up. Everytime they release an update, it's bugged.


Happy?

 

[Metalmaple]

PolSquiggles:
Happy? As I said first, please calm down.

Nexon are doing a great job against hacks, and everytime a meso exploit comes out the characters gets banned. They have a lot of things to do and the game is running smoothly.

13 billion was what they earned so far. I saw it in some video, so I would call them multibillion.

Their site is buggy and sometimes it's down for 5 hours. It almost never works and people use gamelauncher much more. That is why the traffic is low, because so many people on the site and they don't do site improvement. Only game improvement, which is pretty good strategy.

I never bitched, I stated that you are bitching over no statements and you don't even know the correct information

Gm's are always on. Whenever I got banned wrongly or been using hacks I have been banned. Whenever I applied for unban it only took them 1-2 weeks. When they have so many players, I think it's pretty good..

Problem? Join WoW, I heard it takes 3 months there That's what my friends said though, I never actually played that game for real. Only 14 days trial and got sick of it.

Something you forgot is that MapleStory is free.
- WoW isn't and their service is still crap, so maybe you shouldn't blame them so much?

Also, my friend got perm banned in WoW after having 3 level 80 characters and buying plenty of name changes.

He got banned for selling his account.. He actually never done that, he is a big fan of that game and he got unbanned after 4 months with an apology.

And as I said. I don't care about the net worth. They made 13 billion dollars, thats what I care about.

I still don't see why you blame them. Please come with a few facts. Okay, they had 1 2x EXP bug. Maybe they did it on purpose? Did you ever think about that?

Here's a fact!
Great company.

Metal

 

[PolSquiggles]

13 billion dollars, where is the proof behind this?

3. Maple Story, launched 2003
Genre/Platform: Asian MMORPG for kids, client install with 2D graphics
Revenue sources: Microtransactions, prepaid cards, international licensing
DFC estimated 2008 revenue: $150-$500 million

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Also, "there site is buggy so more people use game launcher" doesn't account for that big of a drop considering when their net worth was at it's peak they didn't have the web launch function


WoW != Maplestory. No reason to bring it up. Also, WoW has a larger userbase.

 

[Sample]

Nexon are doing a great job against hacks, and everytime a meso exploit comes out the characters gets banned.

Nexon is doing a good job against hackers? Before the gameguard update, almost every wild hunter I saw was hacking. Every time I reported them, I always returned 1-2 hours to see if they banned the hacker, and they didn't. Why? No GMs doing their job. Do you really think that they are doing a good job?

They have a lot of things to do and the game is running smoothly.

The game is running smoothly, yes, always after an "unscheduled" maintenance.

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and you'll see that there are more unscheduled maintenances than scheduled maintenances. That shouldn't be the way they managed things. They obviously don't test things before releasing it to the public. It's like "we" find the bugs, and then they work to fix it. That's not professional at all.

Problem? Join WoW, I heard it takes 3 months there That's what my friends said though, I never actually played that game for real. Only 14 days trial and got sick of it.

Hey, stop comparing two different companies. There's no point. We are talking about MapleStory right now, not WoW.

I still don't see why you blame them. Please come with a few facts. Okay, they had 1 2x EXP bug. Maybe they did it on purpose? Did you ever think about that?

One 2x event shouldn't last 5 months, if what PolSquiggles said is true. You told him to come with a few facts? Before saying that they maybe did it on purpose, do what you said, and bring facts. Stop contradicting yourself.

And as I said. I don't care about the net worth. They made 13 billion dollars, thats what I care about.

Get the facts right. In the video you are referring to, Kim says that they made almost 1 billion dollars. ALMOST 1 billion, not 13 billions. They are not a multibillion company.

You must be registered to see links

.

Here's a fact!
Great company.

Why is NEXON a "great company"? That's not a fact at all, it's just a biased opinion.

 

[Metalmaple]

PolSquiggles & Sample:

They are not a multibillion company

As I said first, I am talking about Nexon, not MapleStory. (Pol)

DFC estimated 2008 revenue: $150-$500 million

Good job sherlock, 2008. 3 Years.

To both of you:
http://forum.ragezone.com/f425/nexon-seriously-760274/

This thread states everything. I don't really know what to say, rest is based on opinions and I won't change them. Get your facts right, mine was even wrong too. It's 14 billion.

I won't discuss any further, until you do some research. I am using WoW as an example because it's another game with the same topic. User service.

You are just trying to come with some easy comments and wipe me out. Well guess what? I am not leaving so fast. You still didn't come with any prove of anything. You are just stating your own opinion and even with wrong facts. Good job! You are making it easy for me. At least use some time for your replies. I don't even feel like replying you when you use 1 minute on each reply.

You don't want to use more? I don't care, well it proves me right.

Metal


PS: I don't give a flying duck about what happened for 6 years ago in an event that even was something good, 2X.

 

[Kars]

@Metal:
It is very obvious that NEXON has been on the decline lately. They seem to get more and more sloppy as time goes by. This is what i think Squiggles was trying to point out. And he's right. Their reduced web traffic is an indication of loss of players. Which is an indication of a loss of money.

You can not say that NEXON is doing a good job. Because, they simply are not. Compare the ammount of money that they still make each year to the service they provide. You'll be horrified. Providing their games for free is no excuse.

 

[PolSquiggles]

PolSquiggles & Sample:

As I said first, I am talking about Nexon, not MapleStory. (Pol)

Good job sherlock, 2008. 3 Years.

To both of you:
http://forum.ragezone.com/f425/nexon-seriously-760274/

This thread states everything. I don't really know what to say, rest is based on opinions and I won't change them. Get your facts right, mine was even wrong too. It's 14 billion.

I won't discuss any further, until you do some research. I am using WoW as an example because it's another game with the same topic. User service.

You are just trying to come with some easy comments and wipe me out. Well guess what? I am not leaving so fast. You still didn't come with any prove of anything. You are just stating your own opinion and even with wrong facts. Good job! You are making it easy for me. At least use some time for your replies. I don't even feel like replying you when you use 1 minute on each reply.

You don't want to use more? I don't care, well it proves me right.

Metal


PS: I don't give a flying duck about what happened for 6 years ago in an event that even was something good, 2X.

You very obviously watched the first couple seconds of this video and then closed it.

Revenue != profit.

"Nexon made almost 1 billion$ in 2010"

almost 1 billion != multibillion


I'll admit - my source was out of date and I was wrong in what I said. That doesn't mean you have to come back like that and say even more false facts.

Let me simplify my statement of revenue.

My parents have OVER 1.3 million dollars revenue. Does this mean they make over 1.3 million dollars a year? No. Does it mean they can afford to pay 1.3 million dollars? No. We actually got turned down by medical a few years ago when I broke my collarbone, for having over 800,000$ revenue.

 

[Metalmaple]

Kars: Thank you for rewriting it. At first I had an idea of he was trying to say that they aren't rich and just poor beggars who would do anything for a quick buck and their game is sucky because of 2X rate. You wrote it in another perspective.

- He came with an example from 6 years ago, so I won't include that in lately. We are talking in the 2005 -> 2011.

About the income:
Well, I haven't been comparing statistics. But generally, looking at KMS they are doing a great job. GMS could be better, but considering it isn't the original game and there is so many games to think about makes me feel that it is fair enough.

Also:
The reason I think they are doing a great job is because:
I have been playing on KMS, JMS, GMS, EMS, & MSEA. I think they are doing a good job, there might be unsatisfied customers, but you have to take the satisfied with you.

Anyways. Nexon isn't just GMS, I am trying to state it is a great company with wide variety of games and whatnot.

PolSquiggles:
Please calm. As I said, let this only be a discussion. There is no need to fight over something that can make one of us smarter?

I was talking about the overall profit. And if you watched the whole video, you would know what I referred to. The overall 14b.. You said I was totally wrong, so I believe you didn't watch the whole video.

Anyways. You are right with the revenue, but I always meant what they made totally, which is quite different.

Metal

(Let the discussions continue. Pleasure to be part of one.)

 

[PolSquiggles]

I'll say this one time, I am calm.

Anyways overall revenue != overall profit. It just means they 14b in assets, not that they have 14b.

 

[Metalmaple]

PolSquiggles:
Don't get me wrong. I mean as in, don't get offended, not as in you are aggressive.

I also know the second thing, but really. What does it matter anyways?
We were talking about two different things apparently.

Metal