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1/11/1995 ~ 23/11/2011
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In response to the closure of Megaupload.

Ya I saw that through the net, but right now I suggest no one uses direct download, just peer 2 peer, the Internet right now is really not trust worthy even though anonyupload which claims to be completely anonymous.

Peer 2 peer on the other hand is anonymous by your choice, using proxies and stuffs.
 
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It's not an old law. It is one of the few that has transitioned very well with new technology.




Laws are not made for absolutes. Have you ever read the constitution?

The judicial branch exists to interpret specific cases against existing law and to provide clarity for this reason.



I can deny your claim because it's entirely untrue. By your logic, the only reason the internet exists is to pirate software and trade child pornography since these things both happen on the internet.



That's not true at all either. Look at imgur/imageshack/photobucket/tinypic, look at cnet/download.com, look youtube. They're the same thing. People upload content, others consume it. They all profit the same way -- advertising. The vast majority of content on all of these sites is not infringing. The vast majority of views on YT are on user-submitted non-copyright infringing videos (> 99%). It makes hundreds of millions a year, and pays producers very well at that.

These sites are not designed around copyright infringement. It is not the majority of traffic through these sites. It is not their primary source of income. There's a reason many are disabling file sharing and quoting that it does not hurt their profitability nor bottom line -- because they don't profit from criminal copyright infringement.

These laws are not about controlling copyright infringement save the saner laws (like DMCA). These newly proposed laws are about control and censorship, nothing else.



To give you an analogy that's accurate, premium memberships is like Netflix offering super high definition streaming for more money because you consume more bandwidth as a result. You already pay more to your ISP for a faster connection. Aren't they allowing you to download more copyrighted content? Where's the lawsuit against them?

The same is true for filesonic and other companies that have long since been used by legitimate copyright holders as a distribution medium. They are 100% free to the content distributors, and subscribers get 3+ MB/s downloads whereas free users are capped around 150KB/s. If you are willing to pay $9.99/mo for higher download speeds, that's what you're paying for. Not for infringing content.

Some people just don't get the internet.
You don't seem to get it.

The law in question is very old. It might not be old in terms of years, but if you look at the internet now and then, the difference is absolutely huge. It's a common fact that laws can't keep up with the internet.
15 years ago only a small amount people had internet. People weren't really into downloading movies, music did got downloaded, but not even close to the amount it's downloaded now. Lawmakers simply had no idea what was going to happen.
With so many people connected to the internet now, connections speeds that make it easy to download it all and the availability of all that content, it's simply a new world.
So like I said, the law is old, extremely old. Not because it's completely useless, but because lawmakers didn't imagine how things would be 15 years later.

Laws are written as absolutes. If they weren't then they just wouldn't work. Because laws are written as absolutes and we got so many laws that contradict each other, we got judges to decide which law is most important. A constitution are completely different laws and cannot be compared to laws such as the DMCA.

When the DMCA was in effect, most copyright material was on those free websites in the form of MP3's. No one could expect those website hosts to check every single site to see if anything wrong was on it.
Those website hosts were there to give people the chance to put up their own site, put some pictures up etc, their main income came from legitimate websites. They were protected by the DMCA so that single users who they did not want, couldn't ruin their business.
Sites like megaupload, filesonic etc make their money because of all the copyright material. The law was never intended to protect such sites. Not because every website that has such files on it should be taken down, but because their money focus and income is on such files.

When the DMCA came in effect, they simply had no idea what would happen. There are quite a few laws that make these sites illegal. It's DMCA that protects these sites, but the law was never intended to be abused and thus the question remains, which laws will the judge base his ruling on?


The internet isn't just about piracy and pornography, you know this. Besides you can't sue the internet.
Here we got sites who knowingly make money of copyrighted material that are not theirs. They do not use any of that money to reduce the amount and they couldn't exist without such materials.

You are thinking in absolutes, like how laws are made.
Here in the Netherlands thepiratebay is banned with 2 providers (the rest will follow), why? Because the courts decided that TPB is mostly about offering copyrighted materials and on TPB they only link to the content. These uploading sites actually host them.
Cartridges for the Nintendo DS are banned in many countries. Why? Because the courts were convinced they were primarily used for piracy.

Today a judge ordered a defendant to decrypt her PC to see if there is evidence on it that could cause her to be convicted. The fifth amendment is ignored here. Why? Because the fifth amendment never considered computers and passwords that are virtually unhackable.
Laws allow police officers to search your homes etc if there is enough reason to do so, but because of these passwords, police officers are no longer capable to search your homes properly.

Like I said, laws are absolutes and especially with computers and the internet, many laws are simply outdated. The idea that the courts can't touch these people is just absolute nonsense. The world is changing, judges 'ignore' old laws because they are outdated and cannot be used in todays world and it's their right as judge to make such rulings, just a as long they use other laws to back up their ruling and there are plenty of those that give them the option to convict such websites that can only exist and make money of copyrighted material.
 
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You guys do realize Ragezone is doing very similar to these sharing sites, including TPB. Linking users to download copyrighted game files and source code could easily be considered worse in court that most pirating forums/search engines. Plus adding the downloads section back probably wasn't such a good idea. Just saying...
 
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Because Rapidshare is poop, especially since they split into .com and .de
It has turned to poop and to even more poop when they changed the way you can download, if I'm not mistaken you need to have java to download now, or at least something that I don't have running on any of my PC's.
You guys do realize Ragezone is doing very similar to these sharing sites, including TPB. Linking users to download copyrighted game files and source code could easily be considered worse in court that most pirating forums/search engines. Plus adding the downloads section back probably wasn't such a good idea. Just saying...
And MentaL has removed content in the past because of it.

It's all tricky and we're at the point where laws are forming to stop sites like these. The question is, will such laws pass and if they do, what kind of laws are they.

Frankly it's not the extremist lawmakers that we need to worry about, as shown with SOPA, they can be blocked. But what if we get laws that are actually made properly by people who actually think about what they are doing. Laws that makes it easier to get content removed etc. Basically laws that are purely focused on the illegal and do not have all sorts of hidden backdoors.

SOPA was simply way too big, too much crap in it, but there clearly is enough support out there to have a slim downed version pass.
 
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You don't seem to get it.

The law in question is very old. It might not be old in terms of years, but if you look at the internet now and then, the difference is absolutely huge. It's a common fact that laws can't keep up with the internet.

Many can't. DMCA is one of the few that has and gracefully at that. 12 years is not "very old." There are communications acts and various other laws that are 70+ years old that are still being used to make legal precedent on the internet. Further, if you haven't actually read the text of the DMCA, it's not specifically about anything on the internet. It's very specifically regarding technological methods to bypass DRM which protects copyright. The fact that it has transitioned into a tool for copyright owners to have content removed on the internet and that it has been so successful in that role is a testament to how flexible and specific it is. The laws being proposed are massively generic and require no legal action to remove content from the internet. They would allow corporations to at-will decide what is and isn't allowed to be on the internet. The fact that you can't see the difference between these two doesn't surprise me given your history of massive stupidity.

15 years ago only a small amount people had internet.

People weren't really into downloading movies, music did got downloaded, but not even close to the amount it's downloaded now. Lawmakers simply had no idea what was going to happen.
With so many people connected to the internet now, connections speeds that make it easy to download it all and the availability of all that content, it's simply a new world.

15 years ago, tons of people had CD players, and many of those people had computers. Even if they didn't have the internet, the DMCA was put in place to prevent them from ripping CDs to be able to re-produce the CDs and sell them to people. The DRM (proprietary formatting, encryption, etc) was being used to prevent copyright infringement. It had nothing at all to do with the internet. It has gracefully transferred to the internet since.

And you are wrong, of course. More music was pirated in the late nineties than is pirated today. Primarily because we can get it for free, legally: last.fm, pandora, launchcast, youtube, etc. And songs don't cost $18 for a cover + 8-11 other garbage songs like they used to, instead it's $.99 for a song.

So like I said, the law is old, extremely old. Not because it's completely useless, but because lawmakers didn't imagine how things would be 15 years later.

That is simply untrue. The only reason YouTube is still online is because of the DMCA. Would you consider YouTube anything but the leading edge of internet technology? Your argument is fundamentally flawed in any case. You are assuming if a new law were made today that it would be more applicable to the current internet. You would be wrong. No congressperson is technologically advanced enough to understand even a tiny fraction of how the internet presently works. Most of them were pro-SOPA and it proposed that we poison DNS entries to block access to "infringing sites." Anyone technologically aware of what this means would instantly have told them "that's a terrible, horrible Ducking idea."

Laws are written as absolutes. If they weren't then they just wouldn't work. Because laws are written as absolutes and we got so many laws that contradict each other, we got judges to decide which law is most important. A constitution are completely different laws and cannot be compared to laws such as the DMCA.

Laws are never absolutes. Never. The judicial branch would be unnecessary if that were the case.

When the DMCA was in effect, most copyright material was on those free websites in the form of MP3's. No one could expect those website hosts to check every single site to see if anything wrong was on it.
Those website hosts were there to give people the chance to put up their own site, put some pictures up etc, their main income came from legitimate websites. They were protected by the DMCA so that single users who they did not want, couldn't ruin their business.
Sites like megaupload, filesonic etc make their money because of all the copyright material. The law was never intended to protect such sites. Not because every website that has such files on it should be taken down, but because their money focus and income is on such files.

No. You do not understand these websites. Web hosters provide web space to users, freely in general with advertisements on it. Therefore, high traffic websites that they are hosting bring in advertising money. Secondly, the DMCA safe harbor protection meant that the hoster is not liable for policing the content of its users. This left those who owned the copyright to find people who were infringing on their copyright and report it, which would result in immediate removal of that site. File hosting websites are the same thing, except instead of a website, they host files. Filesonic, Megaupload, and others like them have been used legally by many companies to distribute software, music, etc. It is expensive to buy enough bandwidth for users to constantly download distributed software/music/videos. That is the premise on which these websites operate. They earn income from users visiting their site and seeing ads. They do not earn income from users downloading the file (indeed, that's the part that costs them money). They do not profit because they permit copyright infringement, they profit from people visiting their website. What you aren't aware of, apparently, is that these websites comply with DMCA takedowns 100% of the time. Megaupload was one of the fastest at it. As soon as links to cams/movie uploads on Megavideo went up on link websites, about 5 hours later they were all dead. This is impossibly fast. Yet you don't seem to think that they need to keep copyrighted material publicly available to make money. Not true -- in fact, the thousands of click-throughs on those dead links still result in users seeing their advertising, so they don't care at all if the content is there or not.

When the DMCA came in effect, they simply had no idea what would happen. There are quite a few laws that make these sites illegal. It's DMCA that protects these sites, but the law was never intended to be abused and thus the question remains, which laws will the judge base his ruling on?

The DMCA is the only reason YouTube, Facebook, Google+, Twitter, Reddit, and many other websites still exist. Would the internet be a better place without the DMCA? In that case, I'd say it's done a fantastic job giving copyright owners tools to prevent infringement without removing the rights of US citizens or allowing for censorship. That's the exact opposite of SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/OPEN.

The internet isn't just about piracy and pornography, you know this. Besides you can't sue the internet.
Here we got sites who knowingly make money of copyrighted material that are not theirs. They do not use any of that money to reduce the amount and they couldn't exist without such materials.

They don't make money from infringing activity. They make money from traffic. This is not a difficult concept. The owners of the site are not required to remove any infringing content as soon as they know about it -- that's what the DMCA safe harbor is all about. They are only required to remove it at a copyright owners request. The fact that they have e-mails from the owners talking about raping copyright matters not. If the judge finds them guilty (and thus that the safe harbor law does not hold), YouTube will have to be shut down, amongst many other websites. This is the real reason they're being attacked by the RIAA. Not because they had infringing material on their website. The RIAA is trying to force legislation at every level. They are paying for bills in the congress (SOPA/PIPA/OPEN), they are creating a secret treaty between many countries (ACTA), and now they're trying to get legal precedent to remove the safe harbor provision of the DMCA by paying the FBI to investigate Megaupload and charge them with criminal infringement despite being protected by it. This has absolutely nothing to do with infringing material, nor that megaupload made money in any way.

You are thinking in absolutes, like how laws are made.
Here in the Netherlands thepiratebay is banned with 2 providers (the rest will follow), why? Because the courts decided that TPB is mostly about offering copyrighted materials and on TPB they only link to the content. These uploading sites actually host them.
Cartridges for the Nintendo DS are banned in many countries. Why? Because the courts were convinced they were primarily used for piracy.

TPB offers no copyrighted materials. It's just a website where people post links to torrent trackers. You seem to not understand even the basics of the internet.

Today a judge ordered a defendant to decrypt her PC to see if there is evidence on it that could cause her to be convicted. The fifth amendment is ignored here. Why? Because the fifth amendment never considered computers and passwords that are virtually unhackable.

That doesn't matter. The EFF will contact her and offer legal services to push the case to the appellate courts and ultimately to the supreme court if they don't overturn the decision. We have precedent here that the 5th amendment holds in cases of computer passwords/encryption. You're quoting an ignorant judge who made a decision solely to make a splash in the news and a decision which will absolutely be overturned by an appellate court. This is not valid reasoning here.

Laws allow police officers to search your homes etc if there is enough reason to do so, but because of these passwords, police officers are no longer capable to search your homes properly.

Search warrants have to be specific. By law, they are required to list explicitly what they're searching for. The contents of a computer hard drive are directly relatable to a storage facility. What you're claiming is that a basic search warrant would allow the police to inspect every container at a storage facility just rooting around looking for incriminating evidence. This is the exact behavior a search warrant is meant to prevent. That whole bit in the bill of rights about "unreasonable search and seizure."

Like I said, laws are absolutes and especially with computers and the internet, many laws are simply outdated. The idea that the courts can't touch these people is just absolute nonsense. The world is changing, judges 'ignore' old laws because they are outdated and cannot be used in todays world and it's their right as judge to make such rulings, just a as long they use other laws to back up their ruling and there are plenty of those that give them the option to convict such websites that can only exist and make money of copyrighted material.

Laws are never absolutes. Judges ignore laws because they're ignorant and stupid. That's why appeals exist.
 
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That megabox poop sounds legit. I would have loved to put my music on there.

In that G+ post, I really didn't see anything illegal about what they were doing. When did it stop becoming a right to choose where to sell your music?
 
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That megabox poop sounds legit. I would have loved to put my music on there.

In that G+ post, I really didn't see anything illegal about what they were doing. When did it stop becoming a right to choose where to sell your music?

All the record sales go to the label not the artist, the artist earns via touring thus this would basically bankrupt the industry if it became a common ground.
 
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That megabox poop sounds legit. I would have loved to put my music on there.

In that G+ post, I really didn't see anything illegal about what they were doing. When did it stop becoming a right to choose where to sell your music?

The artists don't own the copyright. They have a limited license to perform it in public, but that's about it. The record companies add in their operating costs (well above what it actually cost to produce the music) in order to offset the revenue of any given song so that the % they owe the performer is reduced to almost nothing. This forces artists to go around performing their songs in order to make money, which is exactly what the record labels want them to do.

It wouldn't fix the problem. It would be good for independent/underground artists, but so is YouTube, GrooveShark, Last.fm, Pandora, etc.

The problem is that these people need to get capital to start producing music. The writing costs, the producing costs, the mixing etc. costs, and any music video has its own entire set of costs. Unless you can fund this, you can't do much. When a song gets big, the artist would make a lot of money under a system like megabox. That would allow them to keep producing music in the future, but it's a chicken-and-egg situation. This is how record labels started and it's how they keep artists under their thumb.

It's very rare for a recording artist to become wealthy. This is partly because most of them are talentless people produced by the record labels to continue the "new star" to keep people buying new music, and this really hurts the real talent. Most of them make a few hundred K a year and are only around for 5-7 years, while a few make a couple of million and are done for good (especially those who can't get paid very well at all by performing, like R&B artists, etc). When you compare that to a consistent, meaningful career over 40 years, they're phenomenally underpaid considering the rest of their lives will be meaningless dribble and collecting tiny performance fees, since the record labels stop funding their production and haven't paid them but 0.1% of what they've earned. Not to mention most of them live in very expensive areas and buy expensive things because they think they'll continue earning at that rate for decades, so they burn themselves out faster than most lower-middle class members would.

The real reason Megaupload is being harassed is to get precedent to bring down the safe-harbor provision of the DMCA. This would allow the RIAA and MPAA to control the internet, effectively. That and Megaupload stands in open defiance of the RIAA and MPAA, both suing them and attempting to compete with them. This is a win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win for the RIAA and MPAA so alleging criminal activities and paying off people to get the FBI involved is a no-cost no-brainer move by the *AA.
 
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