Serious considerations..*

[JustKyo]

OH MY MISTAKE you learned something from Shawn's guide? Me too. Have you learned ANYTHING else after reading Shawn's guide? NO.
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Result: Don't give me bullshit like you read a fucking book. Very few people can actually understand what the **** their even talking about. If you read a book you must have some sort of past experience.

LOL, now you look like a little kid who failed to understand the tutorials and bitching about how it doesn't work... for you only I guess. Sorry to say, Shawn's guide spark the interest in me for NPC scripting, though it may only be Java Script & not Java, it got me interested in Maple dev as a whole. For someone like you, who couldn't be bothered to further explore & bitches like a little kid because your knowledge is limited, it's kind of laughable. It's been 3 - 4 months since I first started NPC scripting and yes, throughout these months, I have learned more stuff outside of Shawn's tutorial. From people like Sharky & Veda who bothered to help out, no they helped because they wished to, not because of the likes (e-penis) like you said. And occasionally, I do help out as well, if the script is within my capability. I guess people like you wouldn't understand, cause you do not have the determination or interest in it, that's why people like you have knowledge that will be limited, forever.. until you changes your mindset.

 

[Shawn]

LOL, now you look like a little kid who failed to understand the tutorials and bitching about how it doesn't work... for you only I guess. Sorry to say, Shawn's guide spark the interest in me for NPC scripting, though it may only be Java Script & not Java, it got me interested in Maple dev as a whole. For someone like you, who couldn't be bothered to further explore & bitches like a little kid because your knowledge is limited, it's kind of laughable. It's been 3 - 4 months since I first started NPC scripting and yes, throughout these months, I have learned more stuff outside of Shawn's tutorial. From people like Sharky & Veda who bothered to help out, no they helped because they wished to, not because of the likes (e-penis) like you said. And occasionally, I do help out as well, if the script is within my capability. I guess people like you wouldn't understand, cause you do not have the determination or interest in it, that's why people like you have knowledge that will be limited, forever.. until you changes your mindset.

To be fair though, I do agree with others that say Veda's thread doesn't help. Alternatively, I'd much rather see them provide an explanation along with the script, on how it works and what makes it work. Handing someone a script will never help them unless they're the type to learn by looking, but if that were the case they wouldn't be asking for help.

 

[JustKyo]

To be fair though, I do agree with others that say Veda's thread doesn't help. Alternatively, I'd much rather see them provide an explanation along with the script, on how it works and what makes it work. Handing someone a script will never help them unless they're the type to learn by looking, but if that were the case they wouldn't be asking for help.

Actually. I might be wrong by saying that people will learn from Veda's help thread, my bad. Since I'm the type who can only learn through looking. However, if you got the basics, you can actually learn most stuff through looking.

 

[SharpAceX]

OH MY MISTAKE you learned something from Shawn's guide? Me too. Have you learned ANYTHING else after reading Shawn's guide? NO.

Now everybody knows I like to post dumb **** here just to get people to react, but this right here... wow. You might have topped anything I ever posted.

If you expect to go from a complete noob to an emily at NPCs from JUST reading a SINGLE tutorial then you are smoking some unreal ****. It is just not possible. You might as well quit if you're expecting an all-in-one "How to be a complete pro at NPCs in 30 minutes or less!" tutorial.

 

[Samus.]

Haha, it's still funny how this discussions gets back everything in a while.

@iAkira dinkie's right about your designs btw, it's terrible.

While I'm here anyway, I'll give you my 2 cents why I left. It's not even about the "dying" part. It's:

- No time for it.
- It's boring.
- Getting too old for this.
- Waste of time.
- Reallife. (Work/internship/school/car/bills/etc/etc.)

I was like every other starter who wants to create a server just for the fun. But during the 2(?) years it became boring eventually and running into circles like Darion said. New GMS version, new PS's, new leeched stuff and then new users(leechers/pros/nibs/etc.) Most of the time it's quite funny when a server gets ruined and their **** gets released here which results into a server less and 10+ new servers based on their sauce. Eventually, the guys who started those servers quits and you'll never hear of the staff or admin so all the players will be looking for something else. (Some are the new users @ RZ.)

There'll always be leechers. I mean, there aren't "pro's" if there aren't any "noobs". And Akira,

First, people are becoming stupider and stupider from my point of view, some may not care on it but its okay, I don't really care.

It's not them that are getting dumber, it's you getting older and wiser (and perhaps a bit smarter, haha (hopefully..))

Maple was fun while it was, actually, but I've (personally) spend too much into it.

 

[Chance]

It's obvious that you read Shawn's guide and you still have no clue what you're doing. You obviously have no respect for anyone at all and have gotten nowhere in life and won't get anywhere in life. By the way, why are you flaming Osiris? He's definitely better than you, 100x better than you.

I laugh at that wall of text. I don't even consider myself good at coding.

No, Shawn doesn't know Java. He's pretty much put out all he knows, which is a decent amount for scripting NPCs. He's done his share so why don't you do something useful instead of bitching about how people don't share what they know? In my opinion, Shawn has done plenty for the community, and he still helps out.

I understand most guides fine and my 'flame' wasn't just directed at Shawn.

Shawn, I read and loved your guide. It definitely got me started.
The shitty basics was not directed at your guide.

I was going to respond to this but I decided not to.

 

[SuperLol]

No? You were definitely talking about Shawn's guide. You quoted him, called him a professional, and said that he only what he posted was what he wanted others to know and that he knew much more. You also said he only turn the first page and no one would know what to do after the guide. Later on, you talked about his guide in particular.

Aside from Shawn there's not that many people that actually post guides. I mean look here are the guides that are meant to be informative for programming the source:
Deagan's Java Guide
SuperLol's Packet Guide
Shawn's NPC guide

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Zygon's Packet Sniffing Guide Okay this isn't how to code, but this is useful too.

Okay well what you should do is go from Shawn's Guide to Deagan's to SuperLol/Zygon's. I don't know who you were flaming if you weren't flaming Shawn. Perhaps you were referring to my guide being too complex. Well okay, I don't care, really. Teaching logic for analyzing packets is hard. Explaining structures is hard enough.

 

[WhySoPro]

I laugh at that wall of text. I don't even consider myself good at coding.



I understand most guides fine and my 'flame' wasn't just directed at Shawn.

i laff at you trying to twist your words around man, you flamed Shawn and now you said you didn't. ggggggggg

 

[Sharky]

@Chance: Even if you feel too discouraged to read all of these walls of text directed at you, I strongly recommend and hope that you read this one. I rarely post on these forums unless I feel there is a significant drop in the morality and reasoning of the community, so don't take this post lightly.

Mannn you are only teaching the BASICS. You professionals (Yes I consider you one) know SOOO MUCH MORE. PEOPLE ONLY POST WHAT THEY WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO KNOW. You are not posting EVERYTHING you know you are posting shitty basics to "get people started". Hey, what do I do after I read your guide? Hey, how do I do this...

You call that helping someone. Man, you've only turned the first page of the book. How did you learn about Java?



I don't see you say anything good about anything.



OH MY MISTAKE you learned something from Shawn's guide? Me too. Have you learned ANYTHING else after reading Shawn's guide? NO.

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Result: Don't give me bullshit like you read a fucking book. Very few people can actually understand what the **** their even talking about. If you read a book you must have some sort of past experience.

So your complaint is that you haven't been given enough?

Shawn's guide covered the limitations of his knowledge, and it's invaluable to any person with a serious commitment to MS dev.
I spent a full 6 hours typing out my continuation of Shawn's guide, which I doubt you have read or understood, and while it isn't the limitation of my knowledge now, it's still a token of my appreciation to Shawn and those who wish to learn.
Deagan's guide on Java is excellent; a North Star for people who want to learn but can't afford or are too lazy to bother with buying a book. His guide also covered the majority of his knowledge and took days on end to complete.
Moogra's guide on packets and updating is incredible. I like to believe it was a token of his appreciation to the community, and his gift to the place where he has resided and thrived in for years.
All of these guides took hours and hours of valuable time to write, and they were all symbols of the potential for progress and development among those willing to make a commitment to learning on their own.

Are you so self-righteous that you actually believe people owe you all of their hard-won knowledge when you yourself have given absolutely nothing worth more than the **** off my ass?

I truly feel sorry for you if you believe that anybody that claims to have learned from a book is just BSing you, and that learning is virtually impossible without relying on others. Plenty of people here are a proud contradiction to that claim, and I hold those few in the highest respect.

As you read this next part, please push away any condescending thoughts about the hints of arrogance you may or may not detect; I do not wish to sound arrogant or conceited, but far from it. I like to consider myself decent at Java after the 6-8 months or so I've spent learning it (believe it or not, from a book, with pointers from a few good friends), although it doesn't show in any of my prior releases.
I have met countless people who are dependent on others to learn, and expect help and tutelage to be given simply because it is 'right' to pass on knowledge. However, this is neither true nor ethically correct. The people I'm referring to can never seem to learn from books, and I credit that shortcoming to a lack of discipline, logic, effort, and an impatience for anything not given to them directly. To truly understand a book, you cannot just skim it, as I'm sure you do. You must read each lesson slowly, patiently, meticulously. After you read a section, you must then use it practically, to further understand it. Over my time learning the language, I still have not completed my sole book on Java. The main point being, learning a programming language is only a feat to be attempted by those with the correct mindset, which you blatantly lack.

I hope after reading this you drastically change your views on development, and of those who have offered (indirectly) hours upon hours of their time and, for the most part, all of their knowledge and expertise.


On-Topic:
Yes, the forum has turned into a haven for people who need their server's coded but lack the discipline or motivation to learn and do things themselves, but hiding among the 'leechers', there are still true developers and avid learners. While learning and development still thrives, and don't let what you see posted on these forums bias you, development will persevere. The community as a whole may 'die', but so long as there are people willing to play, there will always be Private Servers (unless Nexon has it's way and shuts us all down xD).

 

[Piggy]

It would take a lot of time for that to happen I think, but it's not a bad idea.

I think help section on maple should be be 24/7 moderated. Delete the spoonfeeders requests and only keep those who actually have a clue about java etc.

I mean it's stupid I saw a impersonator of a great coder saying "Ermmm can anyone else try fix this I can't get it to work on a different server, it's mine" if he wrote it then he would know the in and outs of it.

I just didn't reply. I hate people who try take credit for others work.



Kev, Lotus is crap, but it has as you said potential for others to actually do stuff with it and maybe actually get it going. It's no where near a working source, far from it but with work and some skills it can work out to be good.

And yes some things he said is pretty out of order and not needed but the spoonfeeding is just out of hand. You got where you are today from helping yourself and trying, there is no income of "pros" now days because everyone is mainly spoonfed.

You know I'm working on a MoopleDEV, yes it's a bit different source of methods and such, but serious it's a great source. But you didn't get spoonfed you asked questions you knew the basics to. Most people now days haven't got a clue.

I understand some of what he said but pal, honestly...Maple section is getting stuck. Not that v83 is bad. It's great for most of us to learn and update other sources and experiment with java. That's really only reason I started coding, it's a great skill to learn and pretty fun when I finish something.

What ever happened to the old ragezoners? And people such as yourself. Like it or not kev, you know Maple PS are slowly drifting.

That would turn the section into total chaos, without any help for noobs, they would have no clue to make or design a Maplestory server, some people just want to code the simplest npcs and fix the smallest errors to play with their friends. Taking this, they would have no idea to fix their problems and I bet you, none of them would ever continue to play, most people just want to play for fun, not much for the coding side of things.
I get what you mean, trying to prevent many spoonfeeders but this it not the best way to do it.
Oh if your helping people in help threads, please remember to redirect them to FAQs...some of their questions are already in FAQs

 

[Thoughtx3]

I personally think, that this cycle keeps on going on, as someone stated before. Maplestory development has not died. If it did, then all of us would have to die. The community itself is still good. Although, i may be a noob here, i really think the only way to make development a slight bit better, is to have more guides, on other things besides NPC scripting, Shawn contributed already. I don't have the knowledge on neither java nor java script, so I can't really say i can release a guide. Guides/Releases is what helps people learn. Like, i looked at MoopleDEV, as a example, and i just learned a few things already. Also, the leechers(as you want to call them) go to the help section to get help. Well, they may have tried, some of them anyway, so they go to the help section, because they can learn. The only ones that don't learn, are people that ask for a simple npc like this:

function start() {
cm.sendOk("Hi.");
cm.dispose();
}

Then, you can say they are just plain leechers/spoonfed people.

 

[MacRS]

That would turn the section into total chaos, without any help for noobs, they would have no clue to make or design a Maplestory server, some people just want to code the simplest npcs and fix the smallest errors to play with their friends. Taking this, they would have no idea to fix their problems and I bet you, none of them would ever continue to play, most people just want to play for fun, not much for the coding side of things.
I get what you mean, trying to prevent many spoonfeeders but this it not the best way to do it.
Oh if your helping people in help threads, please remember to redirect them to FAQs...some of their questions are already in FAQs

Maybe you're right, it may not be the best way to do things. I don't actually expect that idea to come in but it's just a thought. And sure they may just want to play with their friends and stuff, but the basics of java is very simple to learn. But yet they just expect us to do it for them? For a basic server there is 100s of tutorials out there, but they don't bother because they just wish to be spoonfed. That's my only problem with most of them, it's because they don't even try to solve it.

But yes I don't always help out because I don't think my information is a full proof side. But the stuff I know I just tell them if they are not spoonfeeders. Helping a noob and helping a spoonfeeder are completely different things as you would know.

Noobs try, spoonfeeders don't.

Anyway I'm back off this thread it's a bit to much debate and drama for me. Cya.

 

[WhySoPro]

That would turn the section into total chaos, without any help for noobs, they would have no clue to make or design a Maplestory server, some people just want to code the simplest npcs and fix the smallest errors to play with their friends. Taking this, they would have no idea to fix their problems and I bet you, none of them would ever continue to play, most people just want to play for fun, not much for the coding side of things.
I get what you mean, trying to prevent many spoonfeeders but this it not the best way to do it.
Oh if your helping people in help threads, please remember to redirect them to FAQs...some of their questions are already in FAQs

yep people who post 100 help threads a day asking for stupid fixes, they're so pro

 

[Cyclone999]

So I come back to RaGEZONE and I see this is the latest discussion. Again. For like the 5th time.
iAkira, I respect you as a person, you post and try and help out people, but I feel this thread is basically your opinion that we're dying. Not that we haven't heard it before (from just about everyone)

So instead of QQing by making a thread (that nobody cares about, to be honest, I'm positive everybody's seen what you've said from others) how about (A) helping to find a solution and posting a possible solution or (B) just leaving.

But you're not really helping anybody out by finding a solution. Your solution is to post a thread and telling everybody that this forum sucks. Fantastic! You're not really helping. And don't go saying something like "I helped a lot of people in the help threads and I released some stuff" because a lot of other people do that...but they don't make a whine thread like this.

Thanks for reading, I am no means hoping to offend you, but quite frankly I find this thread not very useful and it's not helping the problem at all.

 

[elitegaming]

tldr; move on from maple story it is dead.

 

[Vakarian]

tldr; move on from maple story it is dead.

Absolutely not. In fact, 99% of the people in this thread would probably disagree with you.

 

[Cyclone999]

Maplestory dev is not dead, it is the fact that a lot of people here has lost the will to contribute.

I think.

 

[SharpAceX]

tldr; move on from maple story it is dead.

Well according to Wikipedia, death is defined as "the permanent termination of the biological functions that sustain a living organism." so for MapleStory to 'die' it would have to have been a living organism with biological functions which clearly isn't the case. MapleStory would be more like an MMORPG than an organism if you ask me.

 

[elitegaming]

Well according to Wikipedia, death is defined as "the permanent termination of the biological functions that sustain a living organism." so for MapleStory to 'die' it would have to have been a living organism with biological functions which clearly isn't the case. MapleStory would be more like an MMORPG than an organism if you ask me.

After reviewing your definition of the word dead, I took the liberty of verifying the veracity myself. It turns out dead has 17 other definitions.

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If it helps furthermore you can look up the definitions for stupid and moron. There might be one just for you.

And Mintee, you have to face it, when there are no new topics/threads created in about week within the "releases" section, you can say that it is going downhill. Besides, your opinion is biased as you are a moderator.

 

[Samus.]

With that kind of attitude will bring you nowhere. If you think it's dying and needs to be more "alive" again, then every single user can give a little help.