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Hopefully . Nobody is making an effort to learn anymore . It's just teamview , join me or skype now :/
I think we could progress.. We all started at the bottom, didn't we? We just have to rely on this new wave of noobs for a gem to continue the dev. I doubt it.
My thought is the same when it comes to there's no detailed guides. Face it , every development that's undergoing is either private , or paid. Greed you could say. The habbo community used to be generous back in the day of Meth0d where things were easy going , just r63a . Now r63b and r64c shiz is up , it's not the same anymore. Just bunch of freaking cms edits and renames now.Vaulient I wouldn't say nobody, a lot of the people who want Teamviewer do want to learn but some of them seem to think you're available to them 12 hours a day for free... (I know money is a sensitive issue here). However I don't think the problem is helping the noobs, there's plenty of guides for them but they might not be on the surface of the forum which is where they're going to look, pinning more of the detailed and helpful guides may solve this?
I think the more pressing problem is that there isn't more advanced guides: editing the client, updating packets, making basic changes to emulators, etcetera. So while there's several hundred noobs here, many of them willing to learn, just one of them (if we're lucky) will go on to make any kind of positive upgrade to an emulator (there's plenty of CMSs already). I know they should learn about networking and how to program first, but it's these advanced threads that will set them on that track.
Just an opinion, thoughts?
>The habbo community used to be generous back in the day of @Meth0d where things were easy going...My thought is the same when it comes to there's no detailed guides. Face it , every development that's undergoing is either private , or paid. Greed you could say. The habbo community used to be generous back in the day of @Meth0d where things were easy going , just r63a . Now r63b and r64c shiz is up , it's not the same anymore. Just bunch of freaking cms edits and renames now.
>The habbo community used to be generous back in the day of Meth0d where things were easy going...
Wrong.
Also don't need to make "making basic changes to emulators" tuturials. It is you guys will start crying "omg they don't know how to code, only khow how to rename!!11".
And goddamnit, some crappy game private server section is not right place to learn how to code and other computer science stuff.
Why is potentially learning to code/program with something you enjoy, "Not the right place?". I think in that given situation, it's the perfect place. And a good way to learn the basics of computing overall. If you're learning by doing something you enjoy, how can that be bad? Don't get me wrong, I can understand where you're coming from, however given the audience that this forum has in regard to age, telling them to "learn to code" and then expecting them to sit down, sit and look through Google, read a text book or whatever isn't going to work (in most cases).
With what was said above in this discussion, there is indeed a huge lack of material and documentation about Habbo and how it works on this forum. The developers know, but no one else does. Unfortunately it's been this way for over half a decade now, and as Habbo is dying (which it is), I don't believe there is going to be much change.
The issue is the community overall, everybody is trying to get to the top, because like previously mentioned, money is involved, peoples egos and as I said before, age.
I had a bit of a nostalgia moment and decided to look up RaGEZONE. I created DarkHabbo (v9), back in 2006 or 7, which I think was the first semi-stable server with a semi-decent administrative UI. Though it still consisted of pretty awful programming. I believe it could also generate the required HTML files, which made creating a server a breeze.
I made it open source, which caused a surge in custom servers.
I've since then mostly moved to webdevelopment, though I quite miss programming those client/server VB6 applications.
AMA :8:
/CIADarkshadow
History will be written soon.
If this was even remotely true, the history would have to be changed to include Sledmore as a huge part of the current stage.History will be written soon.
How did the very first thing happen tho? How was the first emulator made, was habbo hacked? like how did it very very first start....
I remember, way back in 2005. office.boy over atYou must be registered to see linksstarted running a v1 server, I looked into it a little and found out some geezer named 'MDK' had created and released an emulation of Habbo V1 (ofcourse this later turned out to be JoeH and DeK's work). This server went viral, and alot of people who were at the time scripters on Habbo (like me for example!) suddently became interested in emulating Habbo.
Lots, and lots of time was spent on this version of the server. Hundreds of different tutorials about how to add furniture to certain areas of the one available room began to hit forums, code fixes, and updates were constantly being talked about, some released! ThuGie appeared and after some work with the V1, everyone began discussing if we could emulate Habbos latest version (which was at the time, v9).
As most of us were scripters, we could easily log the information needed to do this. However, none of the guys working on emulating the V9 really understood the structure of the messages. ThuGie was the first to have a shot, and released a server that would allow the client to connect to you, and then the server would instantly ban you with the "@c" message. This was great, we had a connection!
Some one began work on a class that would change "@c" into 35. The first B64 decoder/encoder. It looked something like this
PHP:Public Function B64Length(ByVal TheString As String) As Integer Select Case TheString Case "@@" B64Length = 0 Exit Function Case "@A" B64Length = 1 Exit Function Case "@B" B64Length = 2 Exit Function Case "@C" B64Length = 3 Exit Function Case "@D" B64Length = 4 Exit Function
Still in VB6, nasty right? People would just laugh if they saw something like that now! It's hard to believe that, that function was used for a very, very long time and only allowed us to decode/encode up to 1000. I forget the name of the guy that wrote it, but we all really, really appreciated it at the time. It was used until Jeax released a .dll he wrote in c# that properly encoded and decoded everything we needed (and even this was re-wrote and implemented into Vb6, as no one could use it properly in their servers!)
The very 'first' private 9 server is disputed, it's hard to define what one person would call a version 9 server. Flex had a server that was released before USA111's, and before mine! You couldn't use private rooms, but you could login, register, change your looks and mission, and most importantly you could enter and walk around public rooms. this was a _massive_ leap. The first iteration of my v9 server was released shortly after. You could now enter private rooms and talk! You couldn't walk, place or move furniture, or interact with the room at all. Days after I released my server, a guy by the name of 'Genaga' released his server. It allowed you to fully interact with private rooms, you could purchase, place, move, pick up and interact with furniture and other users in private rooms. A massive milestone.
A month or two after that, USA111 released his v9 server. it had all of Genaga's features, but was better. Genaga's server was all formed in one module. Just one, there was nothing else. USA111's server, split up code into more logical steps, and started to show early stages of OOP.
It was then massive challenges came up for V9 developers, lots of people were now doing it. 'Mark' appeared with his V9 which was very, very popular at the time. It was essentially the most used, all of these servers were still flat file. This is also around the time that 'Otaku Hotel' (what is now Phoenix, by Sojobo) appeared, and started to be sold, it was entirely based on USA111s work.
All of this work was still v9 based and in VB6. Habbo had released Habbo v13, and no one could modify their servers to get it to work. Until I teamed up with USA111. We released 'USA111 and Myrax's V13 Server' compiled, it was massive. USA111 left shortly after and without my permission, released the source-code. This created a massive boom in developments.
I'm pretty sure this is the stage where users such as Nillus, Moogly, mirkan, Donkjam, NGansta and Hebbo hit the scene. We still did not have SSO login, but hundreds of variations of USA111 and my server started hitting ragezone and hw-forum (which is now otaku).
I did not like that my work had been used without permission, to started another server with Nitrojan and well_thats_not_funny, called 'Project Xeon'. It was v9, and the very first Habbo emulation that used Habbos encryption. office.boy helped us alot, and infact logged around 100 keys from Habbos server (so that we could use the encryption properly!), only later to be told by me that you could use any random key!
A foreign user, that no one had really heard of before (and again, i've forgotten his name, apologise) claimed that he had cracked 'sso login'. And he had! it was still flatfile based, and forced the user to store all user data in the /web/ folder where the login script was, but we finally had SSO login.
Project Xeon evolved with this, and began to implement mySQL. it certainly wasn't the first server to try (and I don't remember what was), but use of mySQL in servers was still relatively unheard of and no one did it. After obviously hearing about my work with mySQL, Nillus asked me for help implementing mySQL into Debbo (which was now on its third, or fourth iteration). I said I'd help him, but don't think i ever actually got around to it, he learnt off his own back!
Sometime between then, and the next paragraph 'MeGrim' (no idea who it was!) began publicly advertising his complete V7 server. It had everything, everything. Camera worked, moderation tools worked, public & private rooms worked. It was just perfect. it's homepage can still be found hereYou must be registered to see links
(though i think it has been updated since its initial release, note it is no longer online). This server was never released.
My memory gets cloudy around this point as so much happened. I think it's now 2007, and Jeax has released his server 'Project Warlord' (the server before Project Cold Coffee!). it was in C#, and everyone was excited. It was a new language, it was faster, smoother, and had much cleaner code than almost all of the VB6 servers.
People like Nillus and I quickly snatched up the source and began to learn from it, this is when Nillus started the 'Holograph' server. Project Warlord pretty much hit the deck, few people could figure out how to use it so they just never bothered. This is one of the reasons Holograph was such a hit - it was easy.
We're now in mid 2007. Jeax has released Project Cold Coffee, and Nillus some iteration of 'Holograph'. Holograph took lead, again, it was easier. VB6 servers slowly began to die and be wiped out of the scene, it became 'nooby' and 'idiotic' to program in VB6.
This is around the time I drew the line, and stopped publicly working with emulations. I tried to keep track of the thousands of renames and rips that appeared, but I just couldn't do it. There was no real 'milestones' after this. Nillus successfully programmed Battleball after many failed attempts, including some by me, and continued to release the most easy to use and popular servers.
JoeH began work on Thor (Habbo V9), which he released using a MSSQL database. I think this was around 2009. Nillus took it and used it as the base for woodpecker (and blunk). Again, because no one could really use it, it didn't take off either.
Sojobo took holograph when it was released, and used that as the new source for his sold work, and did the same when uber was released (except he bought the rights to uber).
I never kept up with CMS or customs development, so you'll have to excuse my lack of knowledge in that area. Like all peoples recounts of the past, mine will not be complete. but I think it helps serve some insight into what happened back then.