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The Telegraph said:
The police have become so sensitive to the issue of race that it is impairing their ability to do the job.

What caused these riots and why did the police lose control? Some commentators think the disorder was understandable and justified; some say the police “had it coming”; others that the violence was only to be expected given the unemployment and poverty in the area.

Some local people told journalists of their resentment towards the police. One student said: “The police never talk to us, they ignore us, they don’t think we’re human in this area.” A youth worker claimed: “The way the police treat black people is like we’re nothing.” And a retired accountant who has lived locally for 30 years reported that some of the police “behave in an arrogant manner that puts people’s backs up”.

Other residents who witnessed people carrying off carpets, trainers and watches noticed that they included individuals of all “colours and creeds”, suggesting an outburst of sheer lawlessness rather than righteous retaliation for past racial slights.

Did the police inflame the initially peaceful crowd protesting about the shooting last Thursday of Mark Duggan? It will be impossible to answer that question until the independent inquiry is complete. But what should we make of another theory, that the police handled the rioters with kid gloves because they were paralysed by fear of being called racist?

Anyone in touch with police leaders will know that most are fully signed-up supporters of the doctrine that the police should use force only as a last resort. As one of the famous “nine principles of policing”, published in 1829 at the very founding of the Metropolitan Police, puts it, the police should “use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient… and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion”.

This was the policy of the Met during the recent protests against student fees. It had worked well enough a few days earlier when the trade unions held a march against the cuts, but the student protests turned violent. Reluctance to use force is right and we should be reluctant to reproach the police for it. However, a second attitude was at work in Tottenham. Since the Macpherson report of 1999 the police have been hyper-sensitive about race. This attitude has now become so paradoxical that they find themselves standing aside when members of ethnic minorities are being harmed. The people who ran shops, or who lived in the flats above, were not given the protection they deserved.

The police have been made to feel that they are the “white police”, and that they lack legitimacy in “black areas”. This unfortunate attitude began with the report by Lord Scarman on the Brixton riots of 1981. He said: “There is widespread agreement that the composition of our police forces must reflect the make-up of the society they serve.” He found that ethnic minorities were significantly under-represented. Soon after the Macpherson report made a similar observation in 1999, the Government set a recruitment target for ethnic minorities of 8 per cent.

Scarman’s remark that the police should reflect the make-up of society is profoundly wrong. The police have never been representative of the social or ethnic breakdown of society. Police officers are people who have been chosen because they deserve to wear the uniform, not because of their ethnic status. They are individuals who deserve to be part of a profession that upholds the law without favour or affection, malice or ill-will. So long as that remains true, then every officer is entitled to respect, whether black or white, male or female. The legitimacy of the police has nothing to do with the racial composition of the force. It has to do with impartial enforcement of the law.

Instead of upholding strict impartiality, in 2002 police leaders published a “hate-crime manual” via the Association of Chief Police Officers. It was a defining moment that undermined the highest traditions of policing. The ideal of impartial justice was dismissed with particular scorn. “Colour blind” (in quotation marks to signify its implausibility) policing was defined as “policing that purports to treat everyone in the same way. Such an approach is flawed and unjust. It fails to take account of the fact that different people have different reactions and different needs. Failure to recognise and understand these means failure to deliver services appropriate to needs and an inability to protect people irrespective of their background.” Impartial justice was now “unjust” and it’s not surprising that many rank and file officers have had difficulty accepting the new approach. But their concerns have been given short shrift. They were to be “retrained” or disciplined. And yet it was not easy for officers to be sure how they could stay out of trouble. In another section of the manual they were told: “Anyone who is unable to behave in a non-discriminatory and unprejudiced manner must expect disciplinary action. There is no place in the police service for those who will not uphold and protect the human rights of others.”

In this kind of atmosphere, it’s not surprising that officers in charge of a riot think it safer to wait for orders from the top rather than use their discretion to protect the public without fear or favour.

Another element of police practice contributed to their failure. The police do not have deep roots in most localities and especially areas such as Tottenham. Few, if any, officers live locally. In earlier times, policing was seen as primary prevention, based on a visible uniformed presence. Gradually, under pressure to appear more “efficient”, policing became more a matter of reaction and detection. Officers waited for calls and responded as fast as possible, while teams of investigators tried to solve past crimes. Only in the past couple of years has it begun to be accepted that primary prevention has its merits, and the Government is supposed to be moving towards neighbourhood policing with named officers covering particular areas and charged with getting to know everyone. An officer who knows the law-abiding locals as well as the miscreants is in a much stronger position when things go wrong than the officer whose “response unit” has been called in to deal with some trouble every now and then.

Coalition cutbacks in the number of police officers have also been blamed for the riots. It goes too far to blame the Government, when the immediate perpetrators were unequivocally at fault, but cutting police numbers doesn’t help. The Coalition plans to cut spending on the police by 20 per cent. In the 12 months to the end of March 2011, the number of officers fell by 4,625 to 139,110. The number of community support officers also fell by 1,098 to 15,820. At the same time the number of police volunteers, or special constables, increased by 2,916.

So much for the underlying factors, but even after they have been taken into account, there has been an inexcusable failure of police leadership in the first few days of these riots. CCTV pictures of looting are now available and it seems likely that the police would have been watching from their control rooms. If they could see the window of a carpet shop or a jewellers being smashed and looters taking their pick of the goods, why didn’t they immediately dispatch a dozen officers to arrest every culprit? There are always people who are willing to become criminals for a day if they calculate that there is little chance of being caught. It seems likely that televising the fact that the police would just stand there while mass looting took place led to its spread to other localities the next night.

Being reluctant to use force can be admirable. But when events have got out of control, the fullest use of police powers is justified. The present generation of police leaders gained promotion by mastering the art of talking about “issues around” racism or bearing down on hate crime “going forward”. Learning the management buzz words of the last few years has not produced leaders able to command men in a riot. The injuries sustained by officers show that we have plenty of men and women prepared to be brave when needed, but they are lions led by donkeys who listened a bit too intently to the sociology lectures about “hate crime” at Bramshill police college.
This is the telegraph view on the policing situation at the moment. What's been happening is rioters, many in their teens, have been attacking residential areas and property. They've also been looting, torching and vandalising. It started in Tottenham, now it's all over the place. Anyone living in London care to comment?
 
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Lots of stuff on fire at the moment. This has been coming to be honest. Lots of tension building up with the lack of money, jobs etc.. and supposedly the black community sick of the way they are treated by police.

I think its all now boiled over this won't be the last night... i think its going to get worse over the next few days.
 
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Lots of stuff on fire at the moment. This has been coming to be honest. Lots of tension building up with the lack of money, jobs etc.. and supposedly the black community sick of the way they are treated by police.

I think its all now boiled over this won't be the last night... i think its going to get worse over the next few days.
It's spread like a disease, and there really isn't an end in sight, as you said.
Just saw on twitter, I'm 5 minutes away from some hoodrats with gasoline tubs :blink:
 
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Telegraph talk out of their arse, Riot started because some fucknut thought it'd be gangster to play with guns and he got himself shot.
Then the nobheads started to riot, whilst in the process robbing local businesses and destroying local community buildings.

Bunch of Ducking retards.
 
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Telegraph talk out of their arse, Riot started because some fucknut thought it'd be gangster to play with guns and he got himself shot.
Then the nobheads started to riot, whilst in the process robbing local businesses and destroying local community buildings.

Bunch of Ducking retards.

I do agree and there is no real excuse for it especially the shenanigans about the black community being treated differently... however there are too many areas in london that are left to rot and this is the outcome. Places like tottenham are so rundown and poor that its asking for things like this to happen.

This isn't a excuse but its the cause of why it gets to this stage. If the government stopped spending money on wars and useless poop and instead improved our own country it might be different.
 
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Why did police 'corruption' cause this riot? It didn't, it's just a bunch of cocks robbing places and setting poop on fire.

The police are actually there trying to protect the community, all the while being fire bombed, bricked and spat at.
 
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The man had a gun, was known to be looking for a man who killed his cousin in a gangland shooting in order to kill him. He was stopped as part of a preplanned operation. He was killed in a firefight, he may or may not have shot at police, an investigation is going on at the moment but still, if you want to play with guns then you accept the consequences.
 
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Bunch of Ducking retards.

All that needs to be said really. Whilst I have a hatred of a personal nature towards the Police, I can't put any of this on their behalf. As for the bunch of Ducking bell ends setting fire to poop and stealing from not only commercial properties but also residential, I hope their put with Bubba in a cell and shown a man burrito.

I bet the Kaiser Chiefs are feeling pretty smug right now.

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I'm in Ealing, where a lot of poop kicked off last night. This is inexcusable, but not unexpected. As sure as day follows night, riots follow Tory governments.
 
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Pretty fucked up poop going on over there. Has anything more come out about shooting of the person that may of led to the riots - was listening to the radio today and they were saying it was possible execution style killing.

Saw this one just then, they help the dude to his feet then rob him.
 
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They have also started to steal metal stuff like gates from anyone they can so they can resell it or something. I hope they are doing this because they're starving and not because they need another dose of heroin.

By the way the residential looting is not only being done in London it's happening in the north a well but it's mostly metal until they find some other things to steal.
 
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i saw on the news that the youngest Member of the riot was 11 years old...
 
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Ducking England - Netherlands soccer match has been cancelled because of this. :thumbdown:

duck football... We're talking about people potentially being Ducking hurt here, shops being burned down and businesses ruined, cars being burned, people being mugged and police being attacked. Have some damn consideration.
 
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Ducking England - Netherlands soccer match has been cancelled because of this. :thumbdown:
duck football... Cause of these riots, someone has died, people have been injured, homes have disappeared, businesses have come to a ground halt, and all you care about is football?! Like Shinija said, ban this turd.
 
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duck football, theres people involved here, A lot more important than football. :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

duck football... We're talking about people potentially being Ducking hurt here, shops being burned down and businesses ruined, cars being burned, people being mugged and police being attacked. Have some damn consideration.

Someone ban this stupid dumbass.

Excellent troll there Alfons :p:

On a serious note, the past two nights have been people capitalising on the unrest in Tottenham which started for a genuine reason. The rioting in Hackney, Camden, Clapham, Eiling, it's just people looking to steal stuff and hit a few boys in blue. It's disgusting to see British citizens stoop to such criminality.
 
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