FlyFF Section Discussion Thread

Re: [Development] Project VANADIS

TyRO, all i have to say is could you please stop posting posting stupid things in my thread? Everyone has their own opinion, but your really going past the limit, and to be honest, your post looks like your either trying to be noticed or trying to start a flame war. If you can code a better emulator than oSa and Rhisis then do it and show us, else your just posting useless words. Not to mention it just looks like a bunch of spam..

Last thing,

Most of the people are just consumers - and children. You are forgetting that Flyff is a game for children. They do not want to damage anyone, they want to have fun. And they try out things. They make mistakes like stealing other's work, but that does not make them necessarily "leechers". Maybe they do not know how much work was behind an emulator. Did I mention that most of them are just children?

You made me laugh, i think you need to check again. Normally a child is from 5 years to 11. I'm sure FlyFF has 5 - 11 year olds running around.
 
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No, the quote above sums up this section. Have you ever noticed there are not halve as many "leechers" as you haters? You have discouraged any normal user who just wanted to play Flyff. You always criticise those "leechers" not noticing that you are not less egoistic. You want to keep everything for yourself because anyone around you could be a "leecher": A noob who is opening scary noob servers which are so dangerous for your honor. Why do you care about noobs "stealing" your work? If you really do, you should not have released it in any way. Like those laughable "emulators" called Osa or Rhisis which go closed source because of a single person treating Osa like his own work. You bootlickers are only contributing to any stupid project by spamming "Good luck" in threads like this one. You do not even see the difference between a promising project and a fail. Most of you do not know anything about programming (hmm, just like the "leechers"), but act like being Stroustrup himself. You are not respecting other's points of view because you cannot undergird your arguments with facts. Leechers have to be wrong because they are leechers. Noobs are noobish because they are noobs. Everyone who uses someone's work is a leecher. You forget that this is a public community for exchanging thoughts and - of course - work. It only works if someone contributes by releasing something. But you cannot expect that everyone has something to release. Most of the people are just consumers - and children. You are forgetting that Flyff is a game for children. They do not want to damage anyone, they want to have fun. And they try out things. They make mistakes like stealing other's work, but that does not make them necessarily "leechers". Maybe they do not know how much work was behind an emulator. Did I mention that most of them are just children? If you only changed your attitude, everything here would be easier. A real developer is happy when someone uses his work. If the users are ungrateful, they are. Developing is not about receiving "thank you" or "good luck" as often as possible. If your work is really good, you will get compliments from the right people. Why do you want so much appreciation from the "leechers" you hate secretly? You should be above begging for appreciation if you are no noob.

Of course you won't understand my point of view. You can pick at me now, but that won't change the truth from being the truth.

Um....I was once a leecher myself, as were 99% of us. So, get your facts straight.

As a leecher, I thought everything should just be handed to me. I hated the people who said that I was a "leecher" and always thought they were "mean" because they wouldn't give me what they worked for. Everyone who looked down on my behavior I despised so that I could feel justified. Sound familiar?

Then I got older and began to understand intellectual property. If I code something, I have a right to claim it as my own. I don't have to share because I worked for it. I owe this community nothing, just as it owes nothing to me. There is a certain element of trust that comes with sharing work. Trust that someone else won't claim your work as their own, trust that people won't take your source code, change 5-10 lines, and claim it as their own project which they coded "100%" from the ground up.

Not everyone has to be a dev. That will never be the case. You can help a project by bug testing for them almost as much as you can help them by coding with them. Projects die because people leech (meaning, they don't try to give anything back and don't try to help). That's not too much for a coder to ask for.

Your behavior's fitting into that category of leeching btw. Throwing a temper tantrum over the internet because you can't get you way (no one who has the source is gonna give it to you, quit whining and move on with your life).

How about you calm down and stop trying to start a flame war, k? Act your age, not your shoe size.

Still I don't think its smart to release it (ofc. I also want to have it for information)
For the people who want to have it search it I'm already trying to.

Yay, someone's actually doing something for themselves instead of sitting around on their ass whining about not having the files. Good for you <:
 
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Re: [Development] Project VANADIS

Still I don't think its smart to release it (ofc. I also want to have it for information)
For the people who want to have it search it I'm already trying to.

Nope, it should never be released publicly.
However, I do think all the actual developers should be able to have it as a resource, because no developer is worth more than another.
Atleast that's my intention with this source (when I can crack the password of it...)
And again I'm not speaking about people who knows how to make a website, or developing maps and other stuff for their servers, I'm talking about emulator developers who create code in C#/C++/C/Delphi/Java/ASM/.....
It will help us developers to get those packets right (atleast thats what I curse most on)
 
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Most of the people are just consumers - and children. You are forgetting that Flyff is a game for children.

I think you need to go back to the eFail forums and have a look at the polls posted around for average age. You'd see that the average age in flyff is within the 16-20 year old group, and there are plenty and I mean PLENTY of 30+ year olds running around this game. I used to know a few back when I played.

The amount of kids in the sense of age is rather low. The amount of kids in the sense of maturity though is rather high.

And no,

Age != Maturity

Despite what most people want to say. I know 11 year olds more mature than half the people in this section.

Just because the game is AIMED for 13 year olds doesn't mean that's going to be its base crowd.
 
Re: [Development] Project VANADIS

Nope, it should never be released publicly.
However, I do think all the actual developers should be able to have it as a resource, because no developer is worth more than another.
Atleast that's my intention with this source (when I can crack the password of it...)
And again I'm not speaking about people who knows how to make a website, or developing maps and other stuff for their servers, I'm talking about emulator developers who create code in C#/C++/C/Delphi/Java/ASM/.....
It will help us developers to get those packets right (atleast thats what I curse most on)

So many stuff you can do with it then just getting packets hehe.
Think about all those formulas, wich are almost all the time incorrect in the emu's. How the resource is being read in the files, all those file structures, damn lol so much.
Even if the source is not being released with a small dev group, i think that at least some stuff should be shared. So i totally agree to you! Anyways, let's not get any hopes up atm, since cracking it will nearly be impossible if you ask me...
 
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Re: [Development] Project VANADIS

I'm already tired of seeing official files servers out there, i don't feel like making them 10x better.

Isnt that abit of contradiction, seeing i saw a guide on how to set up the v15 files from you? Not bashing on you, abit curious.

Good luck on the project, i see some progress but i havent got my hopes up yet.
 
Re: [Development] Project VANADIS

Isnt that abit of contradiction, seeing i saw a guide on how to set up the v15 files from you? Not bashing on you, abit curious.

Good luck on the project, i see some progress but i havent got my hopes up yet.

I dont even support them anymore, That guide i made before hating them.
 
Gotta love the hypocrisy in these forums. All the "Devs" that learned how to program by experimenting with open source Flyff emu's are against the release of open source projects. :thumbup1:
 
Re: [Development] Project VANADIS

No, the quote above sums up this section. Have you ever noticed there are not halve as many "leechers" as you haters? You have discouraged any normal user who just wanted to play Flyff. You always criticise those "leechers" not noticing that you are not less egoistic. You want to keep everything for yourself because anyone around you could be a "leecher": A noob who is opening scary noob servers which are so dangerous for your honor. Why do you care about noobs "stealing" your work? If you really do, you should not have released it in any way. Like those laughable "emulators" called Osa or Rhisis which go closed source because of a single person treating Osa like his own work. You bootlickers are only contributing to any stupid project by spamming "Good luck" in threads like this one. You do not even see the difference between a promising project and a fail. Most of you do not know anything about programming (hmm, just like the "leechers"), but act like being Stroustrup himself. You are not respecting other's points of view because you cannot undergird your arguments with facts. Leechers have to be wrong because they are leechers. Noobs are noobish because they are noobs. Everyone who uses someone's work is a leecher. You forget that this is a public community for exchanging thoughts and - of course - work. It only works if someone contributes by releasing something. But you cannot expect that everyone has something to release. Most of the people are just consumers - and children. You are forgetting that Flyff is a game for children. They do not want to damage anyone, they want to have fun. And they try out things. They make mistakes like stealing other's work, but that does not make them necessarily "leechers". Maybe they do not know how much work was behind an emulator. Did I mention that most of them are just children? If you only changed your attitude, everything here would be easier. A real developer is happy when someone uses his work. If the users are ungrateful, they are. Developing is not about receiving "thank you" or "good luck" as often as possible. If your work is really good, you will get compliments from the right people. Why do you want so much appreciation from the "leechers" you hate secretly? You should be above begging for appreciation if you are no noob.

Of course you won't understand my point of view. You can pick at me now, but that won't change the truth from being the truth.

O.o I am agreeing with just about every word you said. (LMAO i actually read it XD and i never read)
 
Read, Its a DEV only DATABASE. It's just to store files to prevent leechers and those german people.

This section is gonna be used by the the DEVs and the NORMAL people. Got it? Any problems, take it up with Reimniess.

Don't complain about leechers then tell us that a site for the files to prevent leechers is dumb. When i say encrypted password for DEVs i mean for their OWN project, and that will be to access the files directly for download and edit. Of course normal people can go there, they just wont have access to files/tools.

Err, I would want a forum on the side to -talk- about emulator development, share knowledge and source code with other flyff emulator developers. A community only for the emulator developers.
It would be much more efficient, since every team has their own protected svn to host the files on.
Even though I created programs that could aid emulator developers I have no where to release it, and no I'm not going to release them on this forum.

Anyways thats only my point of view, and I did thought the first ragelab forum was going to be like that but apparently not. :blink:

Another thing that could be very usefull is a developer only group chat either on some website, mIRC, or on MSN (but not all people use MSN or wants to remain offline from MSN due to distraction...)
 
Re: [Development] Project VANADIS

No, the quote above sums up this section. Have you ever noticed there are not halve as many "leechers" as you haters? You have discouraged any normal user who just wanted to play Flyff. You always criticise those "leechers" not noticing that you are not less egoistic. You want to keep everything for yourself because anyone around you could be a "leecher": A noob who is opening scary noob servers which are so dangerous for your honor. Why do you care about noobs "stealing" your work? If you really do, you should not have released it in any way. Like those laughable "emulators" called Osa or Rhisis which go closed source because of a single person treating Osa like his own work. You bootlickers are only contributing to any stupid project by spamming "Good luck" in threads like this one. You do not even see the difference between a promising project and a fail. Most of you do not know anything about programming (hmm, just like the "leechers"), but act like being Stroustrup himself. You are not respecting other's points of view because you cannot undergird your arguments with facts. Leechers have to be wrong because they are leechers. Noobs are noobish because they are noobs. Everyone who uses someone's work is a leecher. You forget that this is a public community for exchanging thoughts and - of course - work. It only works if someone contributes by releasing something. But you cannot expect that everyone has something to release. Most of the people are just consumers - and children. You are forgetting that Flyff is a game for children. They do not want to damage anyone, they want to have fun. And they try out things. They make mistakes like stealing other's work, but that does not make them necessarily "leechers". Maybe they do not know how much work was behind an emulator. Did I mention that most of them are just children? If you only changed your attitude, everything here would be easier. A real developer is happy when someone uses his work. If the users are ungrateful, they are. Developing is not about receiving "thank you" or "good luck" as often as possible. If your work is really good, you will get compliments from the right people. Why do you want so much appreciation from the "leechers" you hate secretly? You should be above begging for appreciation if you are no noob.

Of course you won't understand my point of view. You can pick at me now, but that won't change the truth from being the truth.
This german boy is god :love: with this post here, I don't have anything else to say regarding the fights between "GOD DEVS" and "DEVIL LEECHERS". Now, lets continue with the project discussion. If you guys want to talk about this shiz, go to the Flyff discussion topic on the section main page.
 
Re: [Development] Project VANADIS

Not with people like heathj :>
Maybe i'll handout this to a well developement project or a single programmer, dunno.

First, taking a look at the sourcecodes :3

@Dell Honne, want to compare neuz files? :)

I'm not heathj.
PS, if this is v5 source I need it for good reason.
I'm creating a v5 emulator, currently at spawn packet (alot of unknowns here >_<) :P
 
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I'm not heathj.
PS, if this is v5 source I need it for good reason.
I'm creating a v5 emulator, currently at spawn packet (alot of unknowns here >_<) :P

Hope that you aren't like heathj, cant stand him >.>
I dont know if i share the password right now, first i want to take a look at the sourcecodes for 1~2 days :P

If the password isnt cracked since then, i'll choose one with who i share the password :laugh:
 
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Hope that you aren't like heathj, cant stand him >.>
I dont know if i share the password right now, first i want to take a look at the sourcecodes for 1~2 days :P

If the password isnt cracked since then, i'll choose one with who i share the password :laugh:

Allright but you could add my MSN if you change your mind, [email protected]
 
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