Feedback: Should we add a market place for paid server content?

[MentaL]

Thread feedback for: https://forum.ragezone.com/threads/should-we-add-a-market-place-for-paid-server-content.1214529/


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[Esakey]

How do you propose I do that?

Some kind of reputation system on this forum.
That in case of any complaints, to the user, were applied sanctions.
That users are very dear to this reputation on the forum.
At least that way...

 

[MentaL]

Some kind of reputation system on this forum.
That in case of any complaints, to the user, were applied sanctions.
That users are very dear to this reputation on the forum.
At least that way...

There would be a reputation system and limiting factors as mentioned in my initial message.

 

[Shenra]

If it would be possible that only verified buyer can leave a reputation, it would be good because I know from other website that they just used old and new created accounts with vpn to feed his main account with positive reputations to scam people

 

[mrwarren]

This would be a good addition for this OG forum (ragezone).

 

[Jotaro]

I think this is not a good idea, many scammers are just waiting for this opportunity to attack, I hope this bad idea is not implemented.

 

[Jotaro]

Is not a good idea...

 

[skreech92]

Great idea, just feel like it would hurt the site reputation due to scammers.
It would surely benefit for those that wish sell their application and or tools.

Though you'd also have to supply some sort of support service for users that will be using the market system.

at the end of the day, it's up to whether you're willing to take the risks that come with it.

 

[MentaL]

Those speaking of scammers, please be aware of mitigation in terms of it wont be open to new members and will be behind limitations such as join date and vip status in the event this is implimented. Judging the feedback, even if I allowed services just as coding, people are against it an so I will just close this and will not impliment the idea.

 

[AlisaCodeDragon]

If the goddess Alice understands the administrator MENTAL

then this is a great idea - but here it should be understood what exactly was meant by the topic of sales and what kind of services​

example my REVERSECODE-TEAM
he has been working in lineage 2 for a long time and can provide his services on creating clean patches for the game on this forum - but I will also share free works - since this is also very important for this area for development - not everything is decided by money - but still such a platform can be useful - for individual specialists some of whom are reverse engineers like me with a lot of experience.

ps it is important to distinguish true developers from those who are trying to sell other people's work - and the paid services market itself is a necessary and useful thing. if you take it seriously.

 

[Dios]

I think RZ should force users to have a portfolio so others can check it out before hiring.

If it's going to be profitable, it should also be professional. Hiring anyone without a CV and references should not be allowed.

 

[AnthonyX]

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I have an idea about preventing fraud when trading.
Transactions should only be processed through intermediaries. And there is a third party reputable enough to hold this money. And also server files, for sellers.
I recommend none other than MentaL.

Whether accounts are allowed to be sold or not has been discussed a lot before. For example: registration time, posts, account status (regular member, sales vip member...).

That will partly limit scammers with little capital. Haha. However, they need to demonstrate their trustworthiness, then they will have prospects in sales.

Next, when buying/selling. Buyers need to deposit 100% of the game server's amount on the forum system if they want to trade through the forum, the price must be clearly listed, this amount will be kept in a 3rd party wallet. Is the person I mentioned above.

At the same time, the seller also needs to deposit all the files he will sell on the forum.


In addition, any other form of transaction, if posted for sale on the forum, will be prohibited. Because if they trade outside, they have to bear all the risks themselves, and we should not be responsible for those cases. Therefore, the forum's reputation is completely unaffected.



To avoid the problem of receiving the goods and getting a refund. We must first test the game before it goes on sale. And the seller must put all the files on the forum, so that it can be sold like amazon. Even auctions, like ebay. Haha. To be able to list goods, you must be a VIP account. Account allowed to sell, paid for this feature.

After the files have been uploaded, they will be inspected, and the seller is obliged to provide full operational methods to save time on inspection. If there is a video it would be even better. It will be a document for the buyer, and the review team.

Let's say RZ is an amazon warehouse, and the seller ships their goods there. The quality of goods has been tested. If the buyer doesn't buy, it's ok. But if you buy it, you can't return it because it's a digital good.

I don't know if I'm thinking too far ahead, when I'm thinking about the future where MentaL will be a second Jeff Bezos.

 

[Esakey]

I have an idea about preventing fraud when trading.
Transactions should only be processed through intermediaries. And there is a third party reputable enough to hold this money. And also server files, for sellers.
I recommend none other than MentaL.

Whether accounts are allowed to be sold or not has been discussed a lot before. For example: registration time, posts, account status (regular member, sales vip member...).

That will partly limit scammers with little capital. Haha. However, they need to demonstrate their trustworthiness, then they will have prospects in sales.

Next, when buying/selling. Buyers need to deposit 100% of the game server's amount on the forum system if they want to trade through the forum, the price must be clearly listed, this amount will be kept in a 3rd party wallet. Is the person I mentioned above.

At the same time, the seller also needs to deposit all the files he will sell on the forum.


In addition, any other form of transaction, if posted for sale on the forum, will be prohibited. Because if they trade outside, they have to bear all the risks themselves, and we should not be responsible for those cases. Therefore, the forum's reputation is completely unaffected.



To avoid the problem of receiving the goods and getting a refund. We must first test the game before it goes on sale. And the seller must put all the files on the forum, so that it can be sold like amazon. Even auctions, like ebay. Haha. To be able to list goods, you must be a VIP account. Account allowed to sell, paid for this feature.

After the files have been uploaded, they will be inspected, and the seller is obliged to provide full operational methods to save time on inspection. If there is a video it would be even better. It will be a document for the buyer, and the review team.

Let's say RZ is an amazon warehouse, and the seller ships their goods there. The quality of goods has been tested. If the buyer doesn't buy, it's ok. But if you buy it, you can't return it because it's a digital good.

I don't know if I'm thinking too far ahead, when I'm thinking about the future where MentaL will be a second Jeff Bezos.

Great idea, plus the guarantor himself will get extra money.

 

[AnthonyX]

Great idea, plus the guarantor himself will get extra money.

I think it should be 10-30% like applestore doing now.

 

[patronum]

In my opinion it should be some kind of verification, because like all we know on forum is lots of source code and free staff like website and not only.

that's why will be better keep away from this idea. because will be lots of scam.

I experienced this kind of tricks on my own. ppl was came to me in PM and ask for some thing to do for them. after all they will get web or ready launcher and they will say o sorry man it's not working, i want refund, how we will know they really delete this what we make.

This can be a huge issue for all of us.

This is a valid point, but what if you get paid before you start working, you have to get the approval to be a seller on ragezone, in case it does not work for them, they should know that it's not refundable, at the end you spent your time trying to full their request, you deserve to get paid for that even if it does not fit their project or it's not working. also a seller with a good reputation wouldn't risk it to scam a buyer that will just make it harder for him to find another gig.

As Mental said, you can avoid any chargebacks/refund, Crypto is a very good option. if the buyer can't trust the seller, then they shouldn't be here and go find someone else. no matter what you do, don't use paypal

 

[shadow66]

I agree with you.

And also do not use paypal

When I say how we will know when they request refund that they delete our files? that was my point. Some ppl will keep the files and change them after all they can resell them, this is problem after all some of this guy can tell you that he did this not you.

How you will deal with some thing like that.

why i say about some thing like that. because i make some redesign UI for game for my friend and of course he pay to me for that work. But after some time i was see the same game with the same UI that was redesign by me, and that guy who still this he say that he make this UI. so you see this is the big problem because after some time someone will call you a thief, and if he will report you to forum staff, you can be even banned MentaL he know what I mean (ROM Turkish pseudo "DEV" and creator - high ALT) and you don't have any copyright for this product.

So please tell me how we can protect from ppl like that crap.

 

[patronum]

I agree with you.

And also do not use paypal

When I say how we will know when they request refund that they delete our files? that was my point. Some ppl will keep the files and change them after all they can resell them, this is problem after all some of this guy can tell you that he did this not you.

How you will deal with some thing like that.

Jokes aside, it's true, they can do that with open-source projects, like websites, or reskin the launchers. but what if we had an announcement for someone is getting a work from someone, and when it's done they can announce it, it will serve as an ad for the dev, also states where that user got it from and they are licensed to use it. this is just an idea, it may be done in a better way.

 

[MrSensei]

I have an idea about preventing fraud when trading.
Transactions should only be processed through intermediaries. And there is a third party reputable enough to hold this money. And also server files, for sellers.
I recommend none other than MentaL.

Whether accounts are allowed to be sold or not has been discussed a lot before. For example: registration time, posts, account status (regular member, sales vip member...).

That will partly limit scammers with little capital. Haha. However, they need to demonstrate their trustworthiness, then they will have prospects in sales.

Next, when buying/selling. Buyers need to deposit 100% of the game server's amount on the forum system if they want to trade through the forum, the price must be clearly listed, this amount will be kept in a 3rd party wallet. Is the person I mentioned above.

At the same time, the seller also needs to deposit all the files he will sell on the forum.


In addition, any other form of transaction, if posted for sale on the forum, will be prohibited. Because if they trade outside, they have to bear all the risks themselves, and we should not be responsible for those cases. Therefore, the forum's reputation is completely unaffected.



To avoid the problem of receiving the goods and getting a refund. We must first test the game before it goes on sale. And the seller must put all the files on the forum, so that it can be sold like amazon. Even auctions, like ebay. Haha. To be able to list goods, you must be a VIP account. Account allowed to sell, paid for this feature.

After the files have been uploaded, they will be inspected, and the seller is obliged to provide full operational methods to save time on inspection. If there is a video it would be even better. It will be a document for the buyer, and the review team.

Let's say RZ is an amazon warehouse, and the seller ships their goods there. The quality of goods has been tested. If the buyer doesn't buy, it's ok. But if you buy it, you can't return it because it's a digital good.

I don't know if I'm thinking too far ahead, when I'm thinking about the future where MentaL will be a second Jeff Bezos.

When you wrote this, you probably haven't thought it through properly?

And noticing on the following comments - none of the commenters done it either.

Without getting into details that dwelve into legality a lot - this type of system not only compromises Ragezone as a forum, but would also would affect anyone directly involved with this suggested system.
That's not including the ridiculous amount of time for "files" to be tested and this idea gives off a big feeling of "lets sell game files, but my own version", rather than anything else, which Mental did specify that this marketplace WOULD NOT BE a place to sell server files of any kind, but that's probably a missed read.
Testing a program that's sold for some specific game - requires a whole game to be running, possibly even a specific version - that's extra time, not even mentioning possible error encounters and etc to make it working.
It's not just not viable as an idea, but it simply sounds good in a mind, while in reality it requires a full blown team - unless Jeff Bezos can handle the whole amazon on his own? I'm not up to date with this information.

Then what about if I need a website design or just a GFX, coding services for my own idea/server, which I am NOT willing to share on RZ so that it would be "tested".. And that's just few of the multiple questions arising from this suggestion, if you were to give an example based on a some sort of.. Fiverr, then it would have probably been a bit of a different view to this.

No offense to your idea (which would be great if there was a specific platform solely dedicated to this and someone willing to take all of the risk dealing in monetary rewards with a stolen/hacked/leaked server files and their counterparts) but it's completely impossible on multiple levels.

Spoiler

Reading through all of the comments and searching through ragezone to "cook" my own suggestion towards this!
Will take a bit of time, but overall leaning towards positive approach to this.

 

[shadow66]

i don't like the idea to selling any server files as they don't belong to US. So how we can sell something that was create by big team
3D designers, graphics, animator, programmers, coders and many other ppl.

Guys guys stop became gold digger. Its not about selling Server Files or Game client because we talk about some thing else.

But yes if you make own MMORPG or Any kind of MMO then open own company, then you will not need to sell.

We selling our time and skills not any kind of files. Pppl pay for good job work no matter how you will call this.

I was see on epvp how they selling files for many servers. Look at Mu Online S19 atm. There is much more but i just give an example.

Pleas read first post guys again we do not talk about selling any server files.

 

[MentaL]

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[skreech92]

Well I do think that if the users are able to deposit the $ into the forum, while not allowing the seller or buyer to access it until it’s delivered or not it may help with anyone trying to pull anything shady. Would also propose a time limit for the delivery of the item, Probably use a 3rd reputable person to handle the final transaction.